[access-uk] Re: window-eyes beta
- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:04:07 +0100
Graham, re. installation of Window-Eyes beta 6, the readme says the following:
important information that you need to know before using this beta version of
Window-Eyes.
By installing and running this software, you are agreeing that you have read,
understood,
and accepted the following:
1. You SHOULD NOT install this software over any other version of
Window-Eyes
less than 5.5 (demo or non-demo). It is your responsibility to make and
maintain
a back up of your current working version. This beta version of Window-Eyes
will expire. When it does, you are expected to either re-install
Window-Eyes
5.5, or install the official Window-Eyes 6.0 release when it is available
(cost
may be applicable depending on your current version and/or date of
purchase).
2. Window-Eyes 6.0 Beta 1 does not support Windows 9x/Me, and will not
install
on any operating system older than Windows 2000. Window-Eyes 6.0 Beta 1 may
be installed under Windows 2000, Windows 2000 Server, Windows XP Home,
Windows XP Professional, Windows XP Media Center, and Windows Server 2003.
I believe that's pretty clear.
AS to the marketing hype, well to my taste its a bit wooden, but they are saying
loud and clear what the many benefits of beta 6 are, including PowerPoint
support,
the Outlook Calendar (2000-2003 versions), the key describer, support for IE7
more
context sensative help. I'm not trying to sell it for them,but you can find the
readme at:
http://gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/Beta/wineyes60beta1readme.htm
By the way, the many sections of this page have headings so you can skip through
the page very easily. (GW put the headings in literally minutes after I
suggested
they do that. Perhaps a good example of GW's responsiveness to customers?
From Ray
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Graham Page
Sent: 20 October 2006 12:10PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: window-eyes beta
I have read the readme file and while the need to have an existing version of
window-eyes is hinted at it is not in my opinion made clear. maybe I'm reading
the wrong file so if you give me the quote from the file that clearly says
version
5.5 is required, I'll accept what you are saying.
I still think the marketing campaign is pretty sad and extremely poorly
implemented, but maybe this is just a reflection of cultural differences between
us and the americans rather than anything else.
Cheers
Graham
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:52 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: window-eyes beta
Hi Graham,
All of that harping on is still no excuse for you not reading the readme
file.
I would have thought that you would realise the importance of this, especially
in
beta software.
All the best
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Graham Page
Sent: 19 October 2006 08:43
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: window-eyes beta
read the first few lines of that but it seemed to be about the features of
the
new version so I thought I'd install it first and read it later. the need for
version 5.5 should be explained either on the beter 6.0 Beta page or right at
the
top of the readme file which actually is a whole speel about congratulations
about
making a purchase you haven't actually made.
Cheers
Graham
----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Jarvis
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:16 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: window-eyes beta
Then again, you could have just read the readme file or the link to the
same
text on the website before the download link, as you're strongly advised to do
and
you'd have learned early on about the need to have 5.5, either full or demo
version, installed before attempting to install this Beta.
More haste, less speed!
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Page
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: [access-uk] window-eyes beta
Hi all.
Don't want to get into an argument about different screenreaders here,
but
I have been following the way Window-eyes has been released and either I am
doing
something truely silly or window-eyes seems to have mist a trick or 2 and I
wondered if other window-eyes users could help.
Firstly, what GW Micro scores on technical support, it loses on
marketing
and hype. I know they have to make a big noise or have done in the past to sell
their products, particularly Window-eyes but in this version there are enough
selling points including a very interesting method of providing high quality
support for Microsoft Office Calendar which I believe uses Microsoft Active X to
bring up useful information in a calendar dialog box. There is also enhanced
access for Excel and a few extra things in word. They produced a few rather
patronising radio show-like programs, one a day, running up to the release.
it's
more like marketing a beatles album in the 1960s than selling a modern
screenreader that people normally want for business, work or home computer
access
and this seems strange but I suppose GW Micro must know their audience.
Anyway, no where in all this lot does it say I need Window-eyes version
5
installed, but when I tried to download the program I was asked for a user name
and password by my download manager but the program downloaded anyway. This may
be a fault of Download express, my download manager. The download was only 6 MB
in length and when I ran it it said that version 5.5 was not installed so I went
and downloaded version 5.5 and all went quite well with the installation.
The info says there is a JAWS keyboard layout you can use if you are not
familiar with window-eyes keys. I thought this was available in the window-eyes
menu under Keyboard but couldn't find it. Also, with Window-eyes installed, I
couldn't shut down the PC properly. the process just stopped mid way through so
I
uninstalled window-eyes and all worked again.
what I am really saying here is there is far too much hype and not
enough
real information to allow people to make a propper evaluation of the Beta
version.
GW have probably even outstripped Freedom Scientific this time for marketing
rubbish and hot air and that takes some doing!
Regards
Graham
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