[access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
- From: "Jillian Grant" <jillian.grant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 22:03:41 +0100
I agree at least to a point. I am getting more confident with using the
Jaws cursor and mouse buttons etc. But when you don't actually use a mouse,
you're never sure whether you need to click once, twice etc. also, i find
that if something isn't laid out very well, ie buttons are not clearly
spoken as "button" I don't know what I should be pressing. It can also be a
very long and tedious process, as I found with Ad-aware, but one that I will
play around with at least.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Hartgen <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
> Couldn't agree more. It's surprising how many people don't know how
> effective a screen-reader's screen review mode can be, such as the jaws
> cursor or window-eyes mouse pointer. Even when you cannot get much out of
> the application by tabbing around or whatever, these tools can be really
> effective.
> Brian Hartgen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:38 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
>
>
> > Hi Steve
> >
> > I have to agree with you. I think quite often people are very quick to
> > declare software inaccessible when it isn't, or to blame the screen
reader
> > for not being able to work with software that really is inaccessible.
> Some
> > people like computer training and that's up to them, but from personal
> > experience I think there are a lot of people who would get far further
if
> > they would only sit and read and listen to the screen reader
documentation
> > properly. Some people just seem to decide that they can't learn to do
> > things themselves and once they've done that it's very hard to get over
> that
> > mental block.
> >
> > James
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:43 PM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> >
> >
> > > Hi Kevin,
> > >
> > > For my own part, I prefer Ipodder, as there are many options you can
> > > configure, like scheduled downloads, setting the directory and so on.
I
> > > apreciate the need for simplicity, but my real point is that
accessible
> > > doesn't have to be simple.
> > >
> > > All the best
> > > --
> > > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users.
> > > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589
> > > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938,
> > > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf
> Of
> > > Kevin Cussick
> > > Sent: 08 May 2005 14:37
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi stave,
> > >
> > > Ok fare enough maybe I was a little quick off the mark I to installed
> > > Ipodder v2.0 and I got it working but I prefer the other one from
> > > Manchester I have also tried webbie and it is quite good as well but
> > > needs some more development I think ok enough on this subject all the
> > > best.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> > > Sent: 08 May 2005 13:25
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Kevin,
> > >
> > > I am not slating anyone, I just wish people wouldn't call their
> > > programs
> > > "accessible" anything. It just makes some of the other programs look
> > > bad,
> > > and they are not.
> > >
> > > All the best
> > > --
> > > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users.
> > > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589
> > > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938,
> > > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > Kevin Cussick
> > > Sent: 07 May 2005 21:35
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Douglas,
> > >
> > > I agree with You I think the lad from Manchester has tried his best to
> > > make some thing simple and accessible for us to use I don't think he
> > > should be slated for his efforts just my thoughts.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > Behalf Of Douglas Harrison
> > > Sent: 07 May 2005 16:49
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > > If by Accessible Ipodder you mean the free Accessible Podcaster
> > > produced at the
> > > University of Manchester, it is in an early stage of development and
> > > has been made
> > > available for those interested to try out. (If you are talking about
> > > something else, I do
> > > apologise - please ignore what follows!)
> > >
> > > The object has been to keep it simple but still capable of doing the
> > > basic things. I
> > > suggested to the developer that an independent volume control would be
> > > helpful if a
> > > screen reader user wanted to listen to the start of an item before
> > > saving it, and it was
> > > implemented within about 24 hours. I intend next week to ask if the
> > > Save dialogue can
> > > be made more accessible in the next version, and I am sure any other
> > > suggestions
> > > would be welcomed.
> > > Ipodder 2.0 is a much more powerful program, but those of us new to
> > > the world of
> > > Podcasts may prefer to start with something simpler.
> > >
> > > Douglas
> > > .
> > >
> > > On 7 May 2005 at 15:16, Steve Nutt wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Iain,
> > >>
> > >> With Ipodder, you can do all of this. So obviously it is more
> > > accessible,
> > >> than the so-called accessible Ipodder. Ironic eh?
> > >>
> > >> All the best
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Douglas Harrison
> > >
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