[access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
- From: "Jillian Grant" <jillian.grant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:42:21 +0100
I'm quite confident about using Jaws. Not sure whether I can call myself
advanced or not. What i'm not so confident about doing is knowing whether
software that I download may in fact upset my computer. See I heard a lot
of stories about AOL software. People were saying that it didn't work with
Jaws, but when they took it off their computers, they didn't work properly
afterwards. I certainly don't know how to repair any damage that might be
caused by something like this, and I don't have any contacts for people who
can fix machines either. This one is second hand, which is why it's so out
of date and junk really. I couldn't and still can't afford to buy a new
one, and getting this one fixed is pricey. so I worry every single time
something goes wrong. This may change in the future, but till now I have to
take care of what I've got. Having said all that, i will try things out
when I can, though I don't keep up to date really with what's out there
technology wise. Firstly 'cos I know I won't be able to afford much of it,
and I've never been pointed in the direction for doing so. At least here
though I can ask what is accessible and what isn't, and find the wealth of
knowledge and experience on the technology front mind blowing and staggering
indeed.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vanja Sudar <vanja@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 4:58 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
> I personally always try out new software and definitely don't wait for
> scripts to come out, but I'd also consider my self quite advanced jaws
user
> and I feel pretty confident using mouse cursors and other feature that
makes
> software usage easier without any scripts. I also am a person who likes
to
> try out new things when it comes to software and get quite excited when I
> hear about new things that I might be interested in. As the original
> subject of this thread was about podcasting, when I read about it, Ipodder
> was the first client I came across and I didn't wait or didn't ask around
> from others to see how and if it works, I downloaded it, my point is that
if
> it didn't work with jaws then I could have easily uninstall it and look
for
> something else, but I personally was quite pleased with Ipodder and I'm
used
> to it and I like it. I'm only using this as an example. I understand how
> some users might be afraid to use new software because maybe they are not
> sure how to use things like jaws cursor, but in general I'd encourage
people
> to try out new things, usually you have not much to lose, if you're not
sure
> how to use it once you downloaded it, there are plenty of places where you
> can ask for help including this list. If you still have problems, you can
> usually just uninstall software, so apart from bit of time, you haven't
> really got much to use.
> Vanja
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> http://www.sudar.co.uk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:31 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
>
>
> And may I second Brian's point. It does seem though that some people
simply
> will not RTM! And maybe that's where Brian, and others, in their
> professional role come in.
>
> It seems to me that rather than waiting for scripts set files, or maps,
> people should equip themselves to deal with new programs or minority
> applications. Yes, it can be time consuming but really less so when one
> does get down to it.
>
> I am not saying, of course, that programmers don't have a responsibility
to
> make apps easier to access or to use; also website developers, for that
> matter.
>
> I'd also say that if you are buying an exspensive screen reader, you
might
> as well invest the time learning all its facilities.
> Ray
>
> Personal emails: Email me at
> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:43 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
>
>
> > Couldn't agree more. It's surprising how many people don't know how
> > effective a screen-reader's screen review mode can be, such as the jaws
> > cursor or window-eyes mouse pointer. Even when you cannot get much out
of
> > the application by tabbing around or whatever, these tools can be really
> > effective.
> > Brian Hartgen
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:38 PM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible
Podcaster
> >
> >
> >> Hi Steve
> >>
> >> I have to agree with you. I think quite often people are very quick to
> >> declare software inaccessible when it isn't, or to blame the screen
> >> reader
> >> for not being able to work with software that really is inaccessible.
> > Some
> >> people like computer training and that's up to them, but from personal
> >> experience I think there are a lot of people who would get far further
if
> >> they would only sit and read and listen to the screen reader
> >> documentation
> >> properly. Some people just seem to decide that they can't learn to do
> >> things themselves and once they've done that it's very hard to get over
> > that
> >> mental block.
> >>
> >> James
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:43 PM
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi Kevin,
> >> >
> >> > For my own part, I prefer Ipodder, as there are many options you can
> >> > configure, like scheduled downloads, setting the directory and so on.
> >> > I
> >> > apreciate the need for simplicity, but my real point is that
accessible
> >> > doesn't have to be simple.
> >> >
> >> > All the best
> >> > --
> >> > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users.
> >> > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589
> >> > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938,
> >> > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf
> > Of
> >> > Kevin Cussick
> >> > Sent: 08 May 2005 14:37
> >> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi stave,
> >> >
> >> > Ok fare enough maybe I was a little quick off the mark I to installed
> >> > Ipodder v2.0 and I got it working but I prefer the other one from
> >> > Manchester I have also tried webbie and it is quite good as well but
> >> > needs some more development I think ok enough on this subject all the
> >> > best.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> >> > Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> >> > Sent: 08 May 2005 13:25
> >> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Kevin,
> >> >
> >> > I am not slating anyone, I just wish people wouldn't call their
> >> > programs
> >> > "accessible" anything. It just makes some of the other programs look
> >> > bad,
> >> > and they are not.
> >> >
> >> > All the best
> >> > --
> >> > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users.
> >> > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589
> >> > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938,
> >> > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> >> > Behalf Of
> >> > Kevin Cussick
> >> > Sent: 07 May 2005 21:35
> >> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Douglas,
> >> >
> >> > I agree with You I think the lad from Manchester has tried his best
to
> >> > make some thing simple and accessible for us to use I don't think he
> >> > should be slated for his efforts just my thoughts.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> >> > Behalf Of Douglas Harrison
> >> > Sent: 07 May 2005 16:49
> >> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Steve,
> >> > If by Accessible Ipodder you mean the free Accessible Podcaster
> >> > produced at the
> >> > University of Manchester, it is in an early stage of development and
> >> > has been made
> >> > available for those interested to try out. (If you are talking about
> >> > something else, I do
> >> > apologise - please ignore what follows!)
> >> >
> >> > The object has been to keep it simple but still capable of doing the
> >> > basic things. I
> >> > suggested to the developer that an independent volume control would
be
> >> > helpful if a
> >> > screen reader user wanted to listen to the start of an item before
> >> > saving it, and it was
> >> > implemented within about 24 hours. I intend next week to ask if the
> >> > Save dialogue can
> >> > be made more accessible in the next version, and I am sure any other
> >> > suggestions
> >> > would be welcomed.
> >> > Ipodder 2.0 is a much more powerful program, but those of us new to
> >> > the world of
> >> > Podcasts may prefer to start with something simpler.
> >> >
> >> > Douglas
> >> > .
> >> >
> >> > On 7 May 2005 at 15:16, Steve Nutt wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Iain,
> >> >>
> >> >> With Ipodder, you can do all of this. So obviously it is more
> >> > accessible,
> >> >> than the so-called accessible Ipodder. Ironic eh?
> >> >>
> >> >> All the best
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Douglas Harrison
> >> >
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