One of the problems to the best of my knowledge is that the digital TV standards were largely drawn up without any real knowledge or design to make them accessible and this is what has caused the delay in making these things accessible because now you are trying to create and develop accessible systems where there were not before. For the last thirty years or so we have lived in a age where Governments and authorities are generally warned off regulation in order not to stifle innovation and commerce. Not unsurprising linked with that were also economic incentives for the headlong plunge into digital services. Light touch regulation has in some part allowed genuine innovation and freedom of commerce but in some ways has also left smaller interest groups without much leverage. Also Offcom does seem to be really as powerful as say their equivalent the FCC in the states who have quite directly caused the iPhone to become accessible when Apple really would have had no interest in making it so. High speed broadband rollout will take years because of the chronic under investment that the data infrastructure in the UK has suffered for years. Thirty or so years ago it was almost decided that a fibre optic network should be built (under another Labour Government) and we are only seeing fibre up to the door in very small patches even now. With the right will behind it I don't think it would be that hard to put some hardware together that could access something like iPlayer or similar on demand equivalent with speech. Going back to the Pure Sonos radios, the problem seemed to be that somehow Pure were lead to believe that a much bigger market for them existed than the subsequent sales turned out to be. On the positive side I think in the long term things will move towards accessibility partly because ordinary non-disabled people are beginning in some areas to accept the kind of the technology that most on this list are already familiar with such as electronic speech for sat navs. On the same front In the States there is already a push to connect the car to online services using electronic speech so that drivers can give speech commands and have text messages and even Twitter Tweets read back whilst driving. I think once the generation of people who experience that come through and perhaps a few eventually get picked off into visual impairment due to age related sight loss issues they will begin expect things to remain accessible. Regards. Tristram Llewellyn Sight and Sound Technology Technical Support www.sightandsound.co.uk Mail: Tristram: tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Technical: Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx General - info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Phone: Support line: 0845 634 7979 Sight and Sound Technology Limited is a company registered in England and Wales, with company number 1408275. Sight and Sound Technology Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton NN3 6WD VAT Number - GB 860 2121 66. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Damon Rose Sent: 15 January 2010 13:56 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: ocean tv talking set top box I'd say that the VI community were still around 12 years behind the curve when it comes to accessing EPG and set top boxes. Sky Digital came online in 1998 as did the more impressive looking electronic programme guides which are still pretty similar to what we have today. We should surely have a raft of solutions by now which stick. Further, Ofcom should be laying down the law on this stuff more effectively. And we're on the brink of a huge explosion in accessing video on demand via your set-top box. A much nicer sit back experience rather than the sit forward interactive experience of using your computer. Yet still we're talking about accessing the plain old EPG as far as I can tell. I forsee us being another decade away from being able to use iPlayer and other click and watch TV shows on the telly if we're not careful. The government and the EU are talking a good talk about increasing broadband bandwidth to 100 or 250 megabits a second. It's high speed and will enable media services to all sorts of set-top gizmos and household or portable goods. Broadband will be so much more than just giving access to the web. It's being touted as part of a new exciting expanding digital economy. I do hope inclusion, in its widest sense, becomes more of a serious concern in 2010. We've no idea what we're on the brink of and what important services we will miss out on. Set-top boxes are set to give us remote access to the NHS and video conferencing with our doctor, for instance. There's a good article about the new Manchester digital corridor today on the BBC outlining this. There's a real societal need for a future proof solution with legal backup. The technical access is a breeze, I'ts nothing special at all - it's just about the will and the politics. I keep hearing about all these solutions that are on the brink of possibly happening. I worry that they will allow us to play catchup a little and hope that they also have an eye to the digital future. Anyone know anything more about this? But in the context of Sonus digital radio players not being recomission and Wayfinder disappearing as a product ... I wonder exactly where we are and how VI people can possibly safeguard our accessible digital future when commercial- tie-ups seemingly don't work well. New insentives, new ways of working, new government intervention are surely necessary. ...Damon -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adrian Higginbotham Sent: 15 January 2010 12:56 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: ocean tv talking set top box Looks as if the ocean blue is the product developed alongside RNIB: http://www.oceanbluesoftware.co.uk/chatterbox.shtml no mention of of when it is expected to come to market though? Adrian Higginbotham Manager, leading edge research. 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