[access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer covers blind people.
- From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:15:51 -0000
I have also spoken to rnib about this, and in my personal case, as I live
alone, i have no one for my access tec to impact upon, so though my pc is in
one place, i could, quite easily, move it to another place in the house. I
don't think I will get a discount this time round. I agree with earlier
posts that vi ppl are classed as second rate citizens when regard is paid to
their disability. I will just have to save up the 150 pounds a year which
the council will want extra from april this year.
.---- Original Message -----
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:56 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer
covers blind people.
: Philips post putting us right on the Council Tax reduction was very
helpful. Thanks for that Phil.Still, I wonder how many of us have a
'special room' where all our 'special needs' are housed. Or, is that the
way it works?
:
: I've mixed feelings about Trace's comments about blindness. Certainly
Government ministers in the recent past have given the impression they
regard visual impairment as somehow very secondary in its effects compared
to physical impairment, but I think the truth of the matter is more complex
and profound.
:
: We are profoundly hampered by things relating to communication needs, in
my view, and this list plays its part in aring some of these issues. We do
get some financial recompence, i.e. TV licence reduction, free directory
enquiries, to name two. To my mind though there isn't nearly enough
recognition of our needs, financial and technical, when it comes to computer
access.
:
: I could also comment at length on how much our exclusion in mobility isn't
nearly well enough recognized, but this is the wrong place for that.
:
: Its a funny old world though. Many, if not most Deaf people do not regard
themselves as disabled, which I find very strange. (Not refering hear to
deaf-blind people though.)
:
: Ray
:
: Personal emails: Email me at
: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:
: | In the eyes of the public and certain official bodies blindness is not a
: | disability, we get treated second rate to just about anyone with any
other
: | type of disability.
: |
: | Trace
: |
: | ----- Original Message -----
: | From: "Philip Martin" <p.martin13@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:19 AM
: | Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer
: | covers blind people.
: |
: |
: | > Hi all,
: | > I apologise for this off topic reply. I was concerned about the
: | > suggestion made on this list that blind persons who had qualified for
the
: | > rates reduction scheme in the past would no longer qualify. I am sure
: | > some of us , myself included, were worried about this. I have spoken
to
: | > the welfare rights section at AFBP with the following result.
: | > There has been no court decision that is relevant to blind people.
The
: | > case referred to in an earlier posting on this list is in no way
relevant
: | > to our case.
: | > The law has not changed.
: | > It is still true that some councils regard the scheme to be for people
: | > with 'physical' disabilities. They find the needs of a person needing
a
: | > wheelchair or dialysis equipment etc. easier to quantify than a person
: | > needing a room to house all there v.I. gear.
: | > To reiterate. you must have a room that is adapted largely for the
: | > disabled person's use. In our case the adoption is computer and other
: | > necessary gear. It has to be in a separate room to avoid impacting
others
: | > in the household, or them impacting on us. It must not be a bedroom,
: | > i.e. it must not contain a bed.
: | >
: | > I spent many months fighting my local council, Woking, to get this
: | > reduction and I would like to see everyone who may qualify also
receiving
: | > it from there local council. Be aware that some councils are more
: | > ignorant than others.
: | >
: | > regards
: | > Philip Martin
: | > Woking Disable Access Group
: | > ----- Original Message -----
: | > From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:48 PM
: | > Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer
: | > covers blind people.
: | >
: | >
: | >> the discount depends on your tax band, i recommend getting in touch
with
: | >> your council about this. hth
: | >> Hope to hear from you soon.
: | >>
: | >> from Martin.
: | >>
: | >> Please email me at:
: | >>
: | >> m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: | >>
: | >>
: | >> thanks.
: | >>
: | >> if you're interested in discussing everything soft toy animal
related,
: | >> please visit my group at:
: | >>
: | >> http://groups.msn.com/thesofttoyanimalcollectorsgroup
: | >>
: | >> please visit my website:
: | >>
: | >> www.martin-wilsher.co.uk
: | >>
: | >> ----- Original Message -----
: | >> From: "Graham smith" <graham.smith577@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:45 PM
: | >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no
longer
: | >> covers blind people.
: | >>
: | >>
: | >> : Hi
: | >> :
: | >> : Never been aware of this, can you give me some idea of what
deduction
: | >> off
: | >> : our tax is given, or was given.
: | >> :
: | >> : Graham
: | >> :
: | >> :
: | >> : -----Original Message-----
: | >> : From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
: | >> Behalf
: | >> Of
: | >> : martin wilsher
: | >> : Sent: 20 January 2006 19:24
: | >> : To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: | >> : Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no
longer
: | >> : covers blind people.
: | >> :
: | >> : it's all to do with this court ruling, I will ask around the rnib
and
: | >> afb
: | >> on
: | >> : monday to see waht can be done.
: | >> : ----- Original Message -----
: | >> : From: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> : To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> : Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:44 PM
: | >> : Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no
longer
: | >> : covers blind people.
: | >> :
: | >> :
: | >> :: Are your council not playing ball? ours tried to put us up a band
when
: | >> my
: | >> :: Dad died, what the hell that had to do with the price of fish I've
no
: | >> idea
: | >> :: and trust me, they regretted it when I was done with them!!
: | >> ::
: | >> :: Trace
: | >> ::
: | >> :: ----- Original Message -----
: | >> :: From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> :: To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> :: Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:46 PM
: | >> :: Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no
longer
: | >> :: covers blind people.
: | >> ::
: | >> ::
: | >> :: > Hi Derek:
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: > I think a pc is not applicable here, as it is a computer, and
anyone
: | >> has
: | >> :: > this in their homes now.
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: > I will talk to someone about this, and see where I stand on it,
: | >> though
: | >> : I'm
: | >> :: > prepared to lose my disabled relief as how can they tell I have
: | >> access
: | >> :: > technology on my pc? it's not overtly there, so a council
worker
: | >> can't
: | >> :: > see
: | >> :: > it, so that's the way they work it.
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: > I will talk to rnib or Action for blind ppl shortly and see
where I
: | >> get,
: | >> :: > though I don't know if I'll get anywhere with my council.
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: > thanks.----- Original Message -----
: | >> :: > From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> :: > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> :: > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:12 PM
: | >> :: > Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no
: | >> longer
: | >> :: > covers blind people.
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: > : Hi Martin
: | >> :: > : > After sending in the form, I got a
: | >> :: > : >phone call, basically telling me that a computer in a room
with
: | >> : access
: | >> :: > : >technology loaded on it no longer qualified as a having
equipment
: | >> :: > : >in a room specially for the disabled person, as my pc wasn't
: | >> overtly
: | >> :: > : >specialist,
: | >> :: > :
: | >> :: > :
: | >> :: > : Take look here:
: | >> :: > : http://tinyurl.co.uk/ptm3
: | >> :: > : the property must have one of the following:
: | >> :: > : a room that has been modified for your, or the disabled
person's
: | >> sole
: | >> :: > use
: | >> :: > :
: | >> :: > : an additional bathroom, lavatory or kitchen to meet your/their
: | >> needs
: | >> :: > : extra space inside the property to allow a wheelchair to be
used -
: | >> if
: | >> :: > the
: | >> :: > : wheelchair is for outside use only, this will not count
: | >> :: > : I would suggest ;you consult a welfare rights officer
like at
: | >> : RNIB
: | >> :: > : and see if the council has interpreted the rules correctly
: | >> :: > : as you do have right of appeal.
: | >> :: > : I mean this bit is certainly open opinion:
: | >> :: > : "a room that has been modified for your, or the disabled
person's
: | >> sole
: | >> :: > use"
: | >> :: > :
: | >> :: > : How doe council define the term:
: | >> :: > : "modified for your, or the disabled person's sole use"
: | >> :: > :
: | >> :: > : Regards,
: | >> :: > : Derek
: | >> :: > :
: |
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