[access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
- From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:40:16 +0100
Damon:
I for one have been banging proactively on to sky about the benefits to all
of talking Peg's, not just to blind people, but to elderly and other people
with disabilities also. I've also been talking of the DDA to them, saying
that in 2012 there will be no option but to comply if they are not to be
seen in breach of access to goods and services under the DDA.
It seems nothing came of my talks to them about this. Ah well, I'm not
surprised.-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Damon Rose
Sent: 15 April 2010 19:30
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
I gather RNIB is likely to be releasing a bespoke talking freeview set top
box later this year. Seemingly it's quite an achievement to be able to do
this. I'm aware that Project Canvas, the people building the IPTV platform
which will be on sale via set-top boxes next year, have a team working on a
couple of solutions who are making some interesting headway too. More
announcements in due course.
How or why Sky have seemingly bombed out of it when they own everything from
the TV channels and the boxes to the satellites themselves is somewhat
surprising. They can make it work far more easily than the open platform of
Freeview. It's a closed system with no variables as far as I can tell. They
can alter the EPG software to answer any hardware problems and vice versa.
They can then deliver updates over the air.
I think legislation has to be the way forward. Legislation is making things
happen in the US and I'd be keen to hear an update from RNIB on whether they
are exploring this route or if they have rejected it, and why. Though I can
imagine some negotiation is best kept private, I do think that after 12
years it would be hellpful to know what we're against.
I can't help but think that without legislation, or the threat of
legislation, this all important phase where IPTV platforms and boxes are
being created don't necessarily put the onus on the makers to build
accessibility in.
It's the accessibility divide. The divide that gives access to the physical
environment outside your front door but doesn't allow for access to the all
important digital environment that is being so heavily talked up by
government.
That nice Martha Lane Fox, she of LastMinute.com fame, is an advocate for
all this. I am going to look her up on Twitter in a minute and see if I can
engage her on this one issue. IPTV, and set-top boxes that handle it, is
going to be more important and more enabling than you've perhaps begun to
think and I'm anxious little is being talked about it in relation to
visually impaired people. I think older visually impaired people have the
most to gain here as there are invariably make and mend solutions on the PC
for the more tech savvy amongst us.
Over the years on this list I've suggested we all ought to be more proactive
because I believe we would be listened to. Is there room for a helpfully
proactive list? Or maybe one exists but I don't know about it?
...Damon
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Darran Ross
Sent: 15 April 2010 16:35
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
If what Fran's been told is right, it just strikes me as the whole thing was
a half-assed waste of everybody's time. Who on earth do they think is going
to be excited by the prospect of a unit that will tell them the title of the
next programme!
Sitting here shaking head in disbelief, and holding on to the hope that the
Sky rep has got this badly wrong.
Darran
----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:17 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
> Sounds like they've developed something that no one will want to buy.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of Barry Hill
> Sent: 15 April 2010 16:11
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
>
> Is it only the next programme? If it could say what the current
> programme is too, that would have been useful. Otherwise, you're
right,
> waste of time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Francis Holman" <franholman755@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:49 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] bad news re the sky talker
>
>
> Hi I spoke with the disability department of sky this morning.
> Apparently
> the sky talker is not ready to launch yet, and even when it does there
> will not be an EPG. According to the person whom I spoke with it will
> only tell what the next programme coming up is. Personally that seems
> a waste
of
> time
> and research to me. Very disappointing.
> Best
> Fran.
>
> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe]
> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to:
> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ** and in the Subject line type
> ** unsubscribe
> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the
> ** immediately-following link:-
> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq]
> ** or send a message, to
> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/
> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain
personal
> views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated.
> If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system.
> Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in
> reliance on it and notify the sender immediately.
> Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received.
> Further communication will signify your consent to this.
>
> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe]
> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to:
> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ** and in the Subject line type
> ** unsubscribe
> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the
> ** immediately-following link:-
> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq]
> ** or send a message, to
> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
> signature database 5031 (20100415) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe]
** If this link doesn't work then send a message to:
** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
** and in the Subject line type
** unsubscribe
** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the
** immediately-following link:-
** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq]
** or send a message, to
** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq
http://www.bbc.co.uk/
This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal
views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated.
If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system.
Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance
on it and notify the sender immediately.
Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received.
Further communication will signify your consent to this.
** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe]
** If this link doesn't work then send a message to:
** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
** and in the Subject line type
** unsubscribe
** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the
** immediately-following link:-
** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq]
** or send a message, to
** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq
__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature
database 5031 (20100415) __________
The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
http://www.eset.com
__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature
database 5031 (20100415) __________
The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
http://www.eset.com
__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature
database 5031 (20100415) __________
The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
http://www.eset.com
** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe]
** If this link doesn't work then send a message to:
** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
** and in the Subject line type
** unsubscribe
** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the
** immediately-following link:-
** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq]
** or send a message, to
** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq
Other related posts:
