[access-uk] Re: Webbie
- From: Douglas Harrison <harrison1d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:46:41 +0100
Graham, I agree in principle with most of what you say, but perhaps I
could clarify one point. The awkward key combination of right
Control, Right shift and / opens the Application notes for the map
currently in use. This includes details of all custom hot keys etc.
set up in the map plus other relevant advice. The problem is that
in, for example the Internet Explorer map, little groups of hot keys
have been tacked on at the end of the notes as they have been added
to the product, and it is often hard to find one which you seldom
use. Hopefully they might be re-written for the new version 7.
Incidentally I doubt whether many people use the awkward key
combination you mention to get to the application notes. It is much
more convenient to go into the menu system of the Control Panel with
caps lock and space bar, press M to move to the Map menu and press
Enter on the first item which is Application notes.
Douglas
On 6 Jun 2006 at 20:06, Graham Page wrote:
> the real problem with Hal is that as with all screenreaders, hot keys get
> added over time and the whole thing eventually becomes a real mess and
> needs redefining. This of course can cause existing users a problem but
> it is one of the inevitabilities of increasing numbers of features.
>
> Supernova has a lot of advantages including speech and magnification
> combined into a serious and reasonably powerful product at a good price
> but good context sensitive help is still a real weakness in Supernova
> which needs serious redesign. Context sensitive help is in fact an area
> in which JAWS and window-eyes use sensible systems as help is based
> around
> the f1 key. Hall uses something odd like right control, right shift,
> slash. Wow, doesn't that trip off the tong nicely!!!!
>
> it's really quite a tricky keystroke to press as well and I have found the
> application specific help you do get is hardly comprehensive.
>
> Dolphin does seem to be making real strides to get it's screenreading
> facilities up to scratch, so good help to get beginners and reviewers up
> and running quickly should I think be a priority. It would then be
> possible to find all internet navigation keys and have them displayed with
> one keystroke.
>
> On another subject connected with Webbie, if the web page is displayed in
> a standard read only edit box then I assume that at least a sighted person
> can see what the blind user is reading without having to rely on the
> speech which is tricky if you are not uwsed to it. can a sighted user see
> what a blind person is reading with Supernova?
>
> This has historically been a major issue with JAWS.
> Cheers
>
> Graham
>
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Douglas Harrison
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