How accurately can a phone's location be tracked by triangulating RSSI
at the cell tower? Received signal strength varies tremendously
depending on conditions, so I wouldn't be surprised if its no better
than hundreds of yards. If you suspect spies are tracking you with
fake mobile cell towers, then they would face exactly the same
problems.
Shaun O'Connor writes:
providing that 1) there is current flowing throught the phone and 2)
there is no obstruction between the phone and any device capable of
receiving the phones regular status message( which informs the the
mobile network of the phones status and approximate loactaion) a phone
can be tracked quite reliably, remove the power source or obstruct the
signal between the phone and listening equipment and tracking is made
significatly more difficult.
On 29/11/2015 13:39, Rajmund wrote:
Hello,
Can the phone not be tracked otherwise?
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Smithson <lsmithso57@xxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 1:28 pm
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Betternet.
Sent from a Braille Sense
But suppose I want to use the microwave at the same time as talking to
someone?
If I believed in any of this drivel, the first thing I'd do is get rid
of my phone and never use the Internet.
Shaun O'Connor writes:
>
> i'll research the ultrasonic stuff a bit and see what i find, there is
> almost certainly a US patent on the technology.
>
> As for putting your phone in a microwave oven that is for times when
you
> are NOT using it, fyi even if your phone is“off" the built in camera
and
> microphone can be remotely activated, so, don't leave yor mobile
device
> in the same place that you are likely to be holding a private
> conversation.( or engaging in any other private activity that you dont
> want used against you. however legitimate that activity may ;).
>
> Coming back to the altrasonic snooping the EFF web site might be a
good
> place to start looking.
> On 29/11/2015 09:26, Les Smithson wrote:
> > How do I use my phone if its inside an oven?
> >
> > What's that about ultrasonic snooping? Can you point me at a link?
> > Google didn't come up with anything, or maybe GCHQ got to them
first.
> >
> >
> >
> > Shaun O'Connor writes:
> > >
> > > two usefull tactice
> > > 1) put your phone in a faraday pouch when out and about(that
blocks rf
> > > both ways)
> > > 2) place your phone in a microwave oven and close the door(same
purpose
> > > blocks rf both ways), however in the second scenario make sure
you do
> > > NOT accidentally turn on your microwave with the phone still
inside.
> > >
> > > however in both instances ultrasonic technology can potentially
bypass
> > > this simple measure.(rumour has it that advertising companies
are
> > > exploring this area in a bid to defeat ever increesingly
sophisticated
> > > ad blocking tech)
> > > On 28/11/2015 23:56, Alex Stone wrote:
> > > > Didn't Edward Snowdon reveal some of this stuff? I listened
to him
> > > > being interviewed on a podcast the other day, it was very
interesting,
> > > > just don't think that just because your phone is switched off
they
> > > > can't find anything out.
> > > >
> > > > On 28/11/2015 23:53, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> It is already technically posible to unmask a persons
identiy even if
> > > >> anonymising sodftwere or services are used, as an example
the tor
> > > >> network has been penetrated and wrongdoers discovered and
appropriate
> > > >> action taken.
> > > >>
> > > >> to understand how unmasking is actually acheived would
require a book
> > > >> in itself to explain the possibilities so, to some extent the
> > > >> authorities" are already deeply embbedded in the system.
> > > >>
> > > >> by their nature most VPN services are compromised by virtue
of the
> > > >> fact tht a potential user is required to submit personal
information
> > > >> (either directly or indirectly) to the provider.
> > > >>
> > > >> however I'm only skimming the surface of how your identity
can be
> > > >> compromised.
> > > >>
> > > >> Turning to the legality of using such services it much
depends where
> > > >> you are operating from, currently it is NOT an offence to
use vpn
> > > >> seercies in the UK but this could change at any given
moment. the
> > > >> question that should be upper most on your mind is the
purpose for
> > > >> which you intend to use the service. and the changing
political
> > > >> climate, todays acceptable use could be tomorrows "criminal"
activity.
> > > >> bear in mind also that your service provider can generally
determine
> > > >> if you are using a proxy service ( especially so called
hidden
> > > >> services), and the very use of such services renders you as
” a
> > > >> potential person of interest" to the authorities.
> > > >>
> > > >>> Greetings,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My querie as to legality arose when I read about being able
to
> > > >>> access sites
> > > >>> anonymously and hide identities.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I wonder how much longer it will be before those in
authority find a
> > > >>> way of
> > > >>> stopping anonymous access of any kind?
> > > >>>
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