Hello,
Can the phone not be tracked otherwise?
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Smithson <lsmithso57@xxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 1:28 pm
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Betternet.
But suppose I want to use the microwave at the same time as talking to
someone?
If I believed in any of this drivel, the first thing I'd do is get rid
of my phone and never use the Internet.
Shaun O'Connor writes:
>
> i'll research the ultrasonic stuff a bit and see what i find, there is
> almost certainly a US patent on the technology.
>
> As for putting your phone in a microwave oven that is for times when you
> are NOT using it, fyi even if your phone isoff" the built in camera and
> microphone can be remotely activated, so, don't leave yor mobile device
> in the same place that you are likely to be holding a private
> conversation.( or engaging in any other private activity that you dont
> want used against you. however legitimate that activity may ;).
>
> Coming back to the altrasonic snooping the EFF web site might be a good
> place to start looking.
> On 29/11/2015 09:26, Les Smithson wrote:
> > How do I use my phone if its inside an oven?
> >
> > What's that about ultrasonic snooping? Can you point me at a link?
> > Google didn't come up with anything, or maybe GCHQ got to them first.
> >
> >
> >
> > Shaun O'Connor writes:
> > >
> > > two usefull tactice
> > > 1) put your phone in a faraday pouch when out and about(that blocks
rf
> > > both ways)
> > > 2) place your phone in a microwave oven and close the door(same
purpose
> > > blocks rf both ways), however in the second scenario make sure you
do
> > > NOT accidentally turn on your microwave with the phone still inside.
> > >
> > > however in both instances ultrasonic technology can potentially
bypass
> > > this simple measure.(rumour has it that advertising companies are
> > > exploring this area in a bid to defeat ever increesingly
sophisticated
> > > ad blocking tech)
> > > On 28/11/2015 23:56, Alex Stone wrote:
> > > > Didn't Edward Snowdon reveal some of this stuff? I listened to him
> > > > being interviewed on a podcast the other day, it was very
interesting,
> > > > just don't think that just because your phone is switched off they
> > > > can't find anything out.
> > > >
> > > > On 28/11/2015 23:53, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> It is already technically posible to unmask a persons identiy
even if
> > > >> anonymising sodftwere or services are used, as an example the tor
> > > >> network has been penetrated and wrongdoers discovered and
appropriate
> > > >> action taken.
> > > >>
> > > >> to understand how unmasking is actually acheived would require a
book
> > > >> in itself to explain the possibilities so, to some extent the
> > > >> authorities" are already deeply embbedded in the system.
> > > >>
> > > >> by their nature most VPN services are compromised by virtue of the
> > > >> fact tht a potential user is required to submit personal
information
> > > >> (either directly or indirectly) to the provider.
> > > >>
> > > >> however I'm only skimming the surface of how your identity can be
> > > >> compromised.
> > > >>
> > > >> Turning to the legality of using such services it much depends
where
> > > >> you are operating from, currently it is NOT an offence to use vpn
> > > >> seercies in the UK but this could change at any given moment. the
> > > >> question that should be upper most on your mind is the purpose for
> > > >> which you intend to use the service. and the changing political
> > > >> climate, todays acceptable use could be tomorrows "criminal"
activity.
> > > >> bear in mind also that your service provider can generally
determine
> > > >> if you are using a proxy service ( especially so called hidden
> > > >> services), and the very use of such services renders you as a
> > > >> potential person of interest" to the authorities.
> > > >>
> > > >>> Greetings,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My querie as to legality arose when I read about being able to
> > > >>> access sites
> > > >>> anonymously and hide identities.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I wonder how much longer it will be before those in authority
find a
> > > >>> way of
> > > >>> stopping anonymous access of any kind?
> > > >>>
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