where a phone is switches off AND the battery removed,, tracking of a
phoneis for all intents and purposes impossible.
On 29/11/2015 13:50, Les Smithson wrote:
I think the proposition is that a phone can be tracked even when its
switched off and the battery removed. If I believed any of this
nonsense the first thing I'd do is bin the phone.
Rajmund writes:
> Hello,
> Can the phone not be tracked otherwise?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Les Smithson <lsmithso57@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 1:28 pm
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Betternet.
>
> >
> >
> > But suppose I want to use the microwave at the same time as talking to
> > someone?
> >
> > If I believed in any of this drivel, the first thing I'd do is get rid
> > of my phone and never use the Internet.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Shaun O'Connor writes:
> > >
> > > i'll research the ultrasonic stuff a bit and see what i find, there is
> > > almost certainly a US patent on the technology.
> > >
> > > As for putting your phone in a microwave oven that is for times when
you
> > > are NOT using it, fyi even if your phone is�off" the built in camera
and
> > > microphone can be remotely activated, so, don't leave yor mobile device
> > > in the same place that you are likely to be holding a private
> > > conversation.( or engaging in any other private activity that you dont
> > > want used against you. however legitimate that activity may ;).
> > >
> > > Coming back to the altrasonic snooping the EFF web site might be a good
> > > place to start looking.
> > > On 29/11/2015 09:26, Les Smithson wrote:
> > > > How do I use my phone if its inside an oven?
> > > >
> > > > What's that about ultrasonic snooping? Can you point me at a link?
> > > > Google didn't come up with anything, or maybe GCHQ got to them first.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shaun O'Connor writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > two usefull tactice
> > > > > 1) put your phone in a faraday pouch when out and about(that
blocks rf
> > > > > both ways)
> > > > > 2) place your phone in a microwave oven and close the door(same
purpose
> > > > > blocks rf both ways), however in the second scenario make sure
you do
> > > > > NOT accidentally turn on your microwave with the phone still
inside.
> > > > >
> > > > > however in both instances ultrasonic technology can potentially
bypass
> > > > > this simple measure.(rumour has it that advertising companies are
> > > > > exploring this area in a bid to defeat ever increesingly
sophisticated
> > > > > ad blocking tech)
> > > > > On 28/11/2015 23:56, Alex Stone wrote:
> > > > > > Didn't Edward Snowdon reveal some of this stuff? I listened to
him
> > > > > > being interviewed on a podcast the other day, it was very
interesting,
> > > > > > just don't think that just because your phone is switched off
they
> > > > > > can't find anything out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 28/11/2015 23:53, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> It is already technically posible to unmask a persons identiy
even if
> > > > > >> anonymising sodftwere or services are used, as an example
the tor
> > > > > >> network has been penetrated and wrongdoers discovered and
appropriate
> > > > > >> action taken.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> to understand how unmasking is actually acheived would
require a book
> > > > > >> in itself to explain the possibilities so, to some extent the
> > > > > >> authorities" are already deeply embbedded in the system.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> by their nature most VPN services are compromised by virtue
of the
> > > > > >> fact tht a potential user is required to submit personal
information
> > > > > >> (either directly or indirectly) to the provider.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> however I'm only skimming the surface of how your identity
can be
> > > > > >> compromised.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Turning to the legality of using such services it much
depends where
> > > > > >> you are operating from, currently it is NOT an offence to use
vpn
> > > > > >> seercies in the UK but this could change at any given moment.
the
> > > > > >> question that should be upper most on your mind is the
purpose for
> > > > > >> which you intend to use the service. and the changing
political
> > > > > >> climate, todays acceptable use could be tomorrows "criminal"
activity.
> > > > > >> bear in mind also that your service provider can generally
determine
> > > > > >> if you are using a proxy service ( especially so called hidden
> > > > > >> services), and the very use of such services renders you as �
a
> > > > > >> potential person of interest" to the authorities.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Greetings,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> My querie as to legality arose when I read about being able
to
> > > > > >>> access sites
> > > > > >>> anonymously and hide identities.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I wonder how much longer it will be before those in
authority find a
> > > > > >>> way of
> > > > > >>> stopping anonymous access of any kind?
> > > > > >>>
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