I totally agree with Mike's interpretation and examples below. I think he
hits the nail on the head when he says "it's our access to technology and
it's use rather than actual access technology that gets discussed on here".
Of course it's ultimately the moderator's decision but maybe it makes sense
to adopt this approach to the list in this day and age where devices have
come along way from the time of Windows 95.
My two pennies.
Amro
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Ray
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 12:08 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Access-uk - Policy & Guidelines (Let's hope this
doesn't arrive blank!)
I don't wish to sound as if I'm being facetious, because I'm really not
trying to be. But interpreting the first couple of points of the
guidelines strictly literally would exclude much greater than 50% of the
traffic on this list.
Again, it's our access to technology and it's use rather than actual
access technology that gets discussed on here more often than any
products specifically aimed at the VI.
I suggest all we can do is take the guidelines in the spirited they are
intended. Maybe talking about miserable bus drivers (which I have been
guilty of in the past) is off-topic, but talking about whether a washing
machine you can buy in Curry's has only touch-sensitive screen controls
and digital displays and how it is totally inaccessible should be OK.
Just to pull an example out of the air which has not (to my knowledge)
been discussed.
Mike
On 19/05/2016 11:51, michaelmoorehere@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Problem is defining hardware and software.
Sent from Michael's iPhone
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Do points 1 and 2 in the guidelines mean that I can't reply to a post
asking about audio editing by recommending a Windows program called
'TotalRecorder'?
I would do this on here because TotalRecorder, while it is not strictly
speaking, access technology, it does have very good keyboard
accessibility and the developers have kept accessibility in mind when
writing it.
So, keeping strictly in line with points one and two, we can't talk
about Microsoft Windows at all because it is definitely not "Access
Technology".
Ipso facto, if we CAN talk about Windows, then we can talk about the
accessibility of OTHER mainstream products like coffee machines and DAB
radios.
I would strongly recommend that "access technology" be changed to "the
accessibility of technology", or "access to technology", since we need
to make use of so much mainstream gadgetry in our every day lives.
If every post that does not refer to products and services relating
specifically to accessibility was removed, the list would be very quiet
indeed.
Mike
On 18/05/2016 17:36, George Bell wrote:
Well here are the list Guidelines again. I just hope none arrive blank. These have been in place for a considerable length of time.
George Bell
Policy & Guidelines
The revised guidelines below are designed to outline in detail the code of conduct which is expected from its members.
Please be sure that you understand these but feel free to contact the Group Owner if you want further clarification.
1 This list is primarily set up for UK users of Access Technology to discuss any technical problems which are related to either the hardware or software they are using.
2 Members can discuss access products in relation to mainstream software or hardware.
3 The group is UK based but membership is open to international subscribers.
4 The group is made up from technology users of all walks of life. Knowledge and experience is vast amongst its members. It is therefore an excellent resource for new members and those less experience to be able to ask questions. Irrespective of your level of knowledge or experience, you should not be afraid to ask something which you may feel is silly or not important. Chances are that someone else wanted to know the same thing or perhaps didn't think of it.
5 Personal comments or remarks of a slanderous or derogatory nature directed to any of the group's members will not be tolerated.
6 Grievances between members should be directed to the list owner and not aired on list.
7 The list owner reserves the right to terminate or ban any member who contravenes the guidelines despite previous warnings and, without notice.
8 All messages sent to the group should be in plain text.
9 No file attachments are permitted.
10 Try to avoid reply messages such as "me to" and "I thought that".
11 This group is not a platform to air personal grievances against any one company. For example, minor delays in receiving software or goods.
12 Please keep subject lines on topic. Where the subject content changes, please amend the subject heading before sending.
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2 No company or product press releases are to be sent.
3 Information however is important for this group's membership and small notices no larger than one screen of text can be sent outlining briefly the product or announcement and directing people to a website address so they can have the choice of whether or not they want to read about it.
4 If you consider that your posting can be interpreted as an announcement, please put ANNOUNCEMENT at the beginning of the subject line.
5 Companies or individuals who overstep this will firstly be given a warning and asked to ensure this doesn't happen again.
6 Where step 5 is ignored, the company or individual will be removed without notice.
Please follow these guidelines as best as possible and make the group an even better resource.
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