[access-uk] Re: Accessing Safe Mode?
- From: "Gary Robinson" <gary.r@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:54:16 +0100
Hi Ari,
I remember some years ago seing a braille display that had it's own
video/driver card that booted up at a very early stage and i think could see
the BIOS. but again this I am pretty certain was in the simple days of DOS.
The problem with safe mode is that most of the software includeing drivers
isn't loaded, you've got a skeleton version of Windows running.
The only way I can see of getting access to a PC at such an early stage would
be if you had an intelligent video card PC which presented to the main pc as a
standard VGA type card but was in fact a fully fledged PC running a screen
reader with speech or Braille output. Technically it's do-able but would not
be cheap, though I suspect most blind techys would love to get their hands on
one.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Ari
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:30 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessing Safe Mode?
Well, let's say someone has a hardware synth, how would you then go about
accessing these features, since, if I'm not wrong, JAWS and all other
screenreaders don't load at that time anyway? It was when you mentioned
hardware synths, that I remembered that, when I was at school, in typing class
they used a screenreader called Window Bridge with a Doubletalk synth, and that
I think did speak in SafeMode, but what was cool about that Screenreader was
that it was a Windows and Dos screenreader in one, and Windows relied more on
Dos than it does now. You had that cool option to start in DOS, which was great
to play text adventure games.
Ari
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hallsworth
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessing Safe Mode?
Hmm, in that case it may work, but I'm not sure if System Access at least
works with hardware synthesizers. I doubt however that NVDA works with hardware
synths. Are you on the NVDA list? If not, let me know and I'll give you
subscription information for you and anyone else who's interested.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray's Home
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessing Safe Mode?
Point taken Christopher. But I use an external synth, so a sound card's
support wouldn't be necessary for me.
From Ray
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-----Original Message-----
[Ray's Home]
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of Chris Hallsworth
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessing Safe Mode?
Again Ray, you wouldn't be able to use it, even though it may "work",
as the necessary sound drivers don't load in safe mode. So unless Braille
support was to be included, I guess we can't use them in safe mode for the time
being.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray's Home
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessing Safe Mode?
Hi, and just wondering aloud here, but I wonder if System Access, or
NVDA work in safe mode. After all, they don't use video intercepters do they?
From Ray
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessing Safe Mode?
Safe Mode does not load sound drivers; in fact, it only loads the
minimal amount of drivers required for Windows. In fact, you can't use any
screen readers in safe mode since even the proper video drivers aren't loaded;
Windows instead loads the native video driver, which I believe causes video
intercept issues. Sorry about that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ari
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:39 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Accessing Safe Mode?
Hi guys,
I read many computer magazines, and, especially when fighting
against Spyware, the advice is given to start in Safe Mode. I just was
wondering, is there anyway that we as blind people can access Safe Mode, or how
is there some way we can access a PC from boot up, like I'm guessing there's no
way we can do things like press f2 and get access to the bios and stuff?
Ari
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