for the forum, I thought membership had been restricted, says so on news
at top. So did pod, Moose, keks and bo (keks and bo in particular cos
they joined in last week) just join without any request to anyone to
clear it. Or did anyone clear them?
Concerned that anyone in that case can just join and create havoc? Last
entry for an anonymous admin (unless dutch has an admin sign in plus
himself) is back in February.
Would be nice to be able to seal places off to members only but do not
know if its possible.
ooh and we gotta P47D22to test, assuming my machine can run it (its
become a struggle last week)
TTFN
Stickz
On 26/06/2020 12:43, Rob (Redacted sender robinhj for DMARC) wrote:
I don't think 'Junior members' confers any special rights. It probably means we just posted more things on the forum than the 'New Members'.
I am guessing that Dutch & Stickz will be doing is adding or approving new members. Maybe they need to send invites to Bo & Keks & Moose? I don't remember how we joined.
Rob
On Friday, 26 June 2020, 09:02:21 BST, Lee Fisher <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I can’t get access to the admin area, in fact I can’t see an admin area.
Witch
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On 26 Jun 2020, at 07:25, klem56 (Redacted sender "klem56" for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
No it definitely wasn't me and tbh I don't have the time. Looking at the members list I see Admin was created on May 5 2018 at 7:17 p.m. followed by Dutch at 7:25 p.m., Roblex 8:44 p.m. etc. (me on 7th May) so it was definitely Dutch and I'm pretty sure I remember him telling us.
There is an Administrator user and stickz has Administrator rank. Most of us are listed as New Member except witch who is a Full Member whilst Roblex and bart are Junior members (whatever those mean).
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On 25/06/2020 22:31, tim foster (Redacted sender silverwings.stickz for DMARC) wrote:
dutch set it up I would hazard a guess. Dutch and myself are administrators (whatever the term is), dont think there were any others (and I dont have a clue what it enables me to do that others cant cos never had to do anything up tp now).
TTFN
stickz
On 25/06/2020 16:59, Rob (Redacted sender robinhj for DMARC) wrote:
I though Klem set it up :-)
I did not know there was an email notification option. That might allow us to remove the email list unless it sends so many notifications that it gets annoying. I am not sure everyone has agreed. It is just us vocal ones but I suppose we at least can start using it that way.
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On Thursday, 25 June 2020, 14:23:25 BST, Lee Fisher <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I thought Roblex set it up?
W
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On 25 Jun 2020, at 14:21, Michael Colby (Redacted sender "michael.colby82" for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
So, it looks like we are leaning towards the squad forum pages being the primary routine resource for our communications, including the capture of our administration, policy and knowledge base as terms of reference, whilst keeping the e-mail group facility going, mostly for a more immediate alert and awareness style function.
Who is currently administering our squad forum site? Is it Dutch, or is anyone else involved?
Happy landings,
Talisman
On Thursday, 25 June 2020, 11:53:05 BST, Rob <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I was in a rush when I last posted as I was heading out for some really nice evening waves so did not give a full answer :-)
What I would suggest is that the forum gets used for anything that might get a reply or needs a reply PLUS gets copied to email but NOBODY replies by email. The email is just to let people see there is a new topic on the forum that they can reply on or that requires an answer ASAP. A bit like when 1C post about a new patch release then tell you to go elsewhere to discuss it. It is probably still OK to post 'Sorry cannot make it' messages straight to email and bypass the forum. There are a few grey areas but we can use common sense to avoid too much pointless comms on the email.
Rob
On Thursday, 25 June 2020, 07:58:17 BST, klem56 <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I agree with Rob. IMHO there are often brief exchanges where the forum would be overkill. I see the forum as more of a knowledge base/exchange.
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On 24/06/2020 18:12, Rob (Redacted sender robinhj for DMARC) wrote:
I would say keep the email but purely for announcements and other time sensitive subjects
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Gents,
Looks like it could be time to give our squad forum a go again.
Do we want to discontinue our e-mail group, so that we don't
have duplication, or do folks want to keep both?
My thoughts are that if enough folks don't want to continue
using the e-mail group facility, then we should move over
completely to just the forum, rather than have 2 systems running.
Count me out of any Discord arrangements though.
I am content with the current e-mail arrangements, but am
willing to give the forum a go.
Happy landings,
Talisman
On Wednesday, 24 June 2020, 10:35:48 BST, Rob
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<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The problem with expecting us to put headers on our emails so we
can filter them is that many of us, including me, just hit
'reply' and sometimes the actual matter being discussed no
longer relates to the header. The forum is ideal. I check
several every day and it is easy to ignore subjects that have no
interest to me or that were interesting initially but then
wandered off track. That leaves the problem I mentioned earlier
though, if we don't use it then it soon gets ignored. I am not
sure we can use a forum alongside email unless we have a strict
rule that email is only for important announcements and any
discussion of it goes to the forum.
For immediate notification that someone is going online then
WhatsApp is best for me. I get a notification light on my phone
and can ignore that or check WhatsApp and ignore what I see...
or go online. I would rather not use Facebook as I try to avoid
getting sucked in to all the crap on it (again)
Roblex
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I made comment a few weeks ago about the flood of squad
emails on various subjects so I get the point.
Surely our own existing forum (see under my sig) is the
answer. I receive emails whenever a new post has been made
and I can choose whether to go and look at it or not.
Similarly I can recognise the email for what it is and
simply delete it if it isn't of interest, I don't have to
read all the long emails. Immediate need-to-know info about,
say, this week's squad night or other more immediate info
can still be passed by email. It has proved to be very
effective, if sometimes drowning in a particular issue. We
could use Whatsapp but not everyone will want it. I have it
for family and a museum lockdown group from which I know it
will quickly be drowned in topics which are not so easy to
track on a small device but the lockdown group only use it
for jokes and clips. We use Skype to talk to eachother every
week and I send mass emails to volunteers as our primary
simple means of communication.
If we feel the need for immediate e-mail notification we can
put our email on our mobile too. I have three museum email
addresses on mine although I use them as 'alerts' so that I
know I have emails to deal with on my PC. Once I've dealt
with them (or know there is something to be dealt with) I
delete them from my phone.
There is another weapon in our email clients: message
filters. If we agreed on a subject pattern, e.g. 56_VR [plus
any other data], 56_KOTH [...] etc we could create a filter
in our email clients to send the emails whose subject
contains 56_VR to a particular local folder, e.g. 56_VR or
even delete it if it's not of interest. Actually I already
do that manually for long running emails like VR that I want
to keep. It would only be worthwhile where a subject is long
running and someone asks for a header to be used and we'd
need each to create a folder for each one but it's something
I do all the time to manage some of our stuff and a lot of
museum matters. But perhaps our forum is a better idea once
it's clear that a subject needs some elbow room.
Like some of you I find Discord chat very cumbersome whilst
TS a very direct and easily managed comms system and, after
all, that is all we want it for. I suppose Discord is
attractive to people who want to run their entire on-line
group activities there.
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On 23/06/2020 15:13, Lee Fisher (Redacted sender l.fisher
for DMARC) wrote:
Facebook or what’s app work well for immediacy and scrolling
to see messages etc, and you can set FB up with a “separate”
email address easily enough.
Witch
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On 23 Jun 2020, at 15:07, André Degen <degen.andre@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:degen.andre@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Thanks for the answers so far, they are very much
appreciated. I just wanted to clarify two things.
- I didn't suggest Discord to replace TeamSpeak in any way.
I'm very happy with TS and totally agree that it's way
ahead of Discord in voice functionality.
- Concerning Discord (or any other online service) stealing
you personal information: You can make an account with a
burner email (e.g. 10minuteemail) and give out false
credentials. I haven't done this, but it is an option if
that concerns you.
If anyone has other suggestions (e.g. WhatsApp, Telegram,
etc.), I'm all ears.
Now I'll be quiet again and wait for more of your answers ;)
Keks
Am Di., 23. Juni 2020 um 15:25 Uhr schrieb Rob
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
I fully agree with Keks that the email list can be
chaotic. It can also be impossible to get a timely
response when needed. I also agree that it would be
very useful to have some way of knowing that one of us
has gone online to fly so we could decide to join them
or just ignore it. When we played CLoD on Steam then
you could leave your Friends list up at the side of the
screen and see who was in CLoD at any moment and it was
up to you whether you joined them or not.
Unfortunately I don't think Discord is the answer. I
have Discord and I belong to about a dozen groups on it
but I just don't like it. As a chat history I find it
as chaotic as our email list and as a comms app it is
vastly inferior to Teamspeak. I know many of our group
will never use any new-fangled apps on a phone but if
three or four people want to use Twitter or Whatsapp or
Messenger etc to send out a notification to a group
saying they are about to fly then I am happy to
subscribe. Personally I tend to have Whatsapp running
all day as my family uses it but I can make sure other
ones are running. I don't leave Discord on because I
just get notifications constantly and it drives me
crazy so I just pop in to check things then log out.
There are also many new apps using very strong end to
end encryption that have groups etc.
As for 'Threads' or conversations on discreet subjects,
that is probably best done on a Forum but the few times
we have set one up nobody has used it. You need a
certain volume of traffic to make them work. If you
post something and get one response in the following
week then you stop posting and if you check to see if
someone has made a new post and see that nothing has
been posted for a week then you stop checking which in
turn means you don't answer any new posts so they stop
posting etc etc... :-) It might still work if the forum
emails you whenever there is a new post but I don't
think any of the free ones do.
Roblex
On Tuesday, 23 June 2020, 11:55:05 BST, Lee Fisher
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Someone alert the villagers to get their pitchforks,
there’s someone suggesting change! Change I tell you!
Nothing good will come of that
Hehehe
Good luck keks but the pterodactyl’s will have
something to say about this, Russian spies, Chinese
infiltration, 5G causes invisible planes etc etc
Witch
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> On 23 Jun 2020, at 11:29, André Degen
<degen.andre@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:degen.andre@xxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
>
> Hello to all of you
>
> I would like to suggest an idea of mine. When I
joined this group and was getting trained up by
Talisman (thanks a lot btw., I always had a blast :) ),
we also talked about communication with the group and
that we use this mailing system.
> For me it has been a rather mixed bag so far.
>
> My main issues are:
> - I find it really hard to follow conversations in
this jungle of different email-threads.
> - It also completely floods my email inbox with a lot
of mails that don't really concern me (e.g. VR-stuff),
because every mail is literally a "mail to all".
> - If I search for something it is also rather
cumbersome to find the email that I'm looking for.
> - Maybe this is just me, but I only check on my
emails maybe twice a week. So I also miss a lot of the
conversations.
>
> So I was thinking if it would be possible to organise
a Discord Server for us.
>
> A few of the benefits:
> - You could have a channel specific for certain topics.
> - If you're not interested in a certain topic, you
can just mute that channel.
> - When you want to search for a certain conversation,
just look in the corresponding channel.
> - You can direct message people.
> - If you want, you can look for people to play with
spontaneously (if they decide to show their
online/offline status).
> - It would also free up our Email-inboxes.
>
> There are a lot more positives from my point of view
but I don't want to drag this email out even longer. I
can go more into detail if anyone wishes to know more.
>
> Now Talisman already mentioned that he is not a fan
of Discord at all.
> I respect his opinion, but it is only one of many, so
I wanted to present this to all of you to hopefully get
an objective conversation started.
>
> To a hopefully soon freed-up inbox. ;)
>
> Greetings, Keks
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