Thank you, again, Ron. I think our hub serves as what you call "router" It has been frustrating to be the training ground for local techs on our system because they have not sufficiently explained things to me. Therefore, I may have one machine hooked up and running, (or 2 or 3 even) but next time I don't understand things well enough to know where the glitches are when I change or upgrade machines. Trial and error is tedious. So it helps a lot to know what NOT to bother with. It looks to me like the gateway machine is at the phone company or else the DSL modem serves as the gateway. I did set up internet connection sharing in order to use my home network. It was after that that the whole thing worked. I am going to try to learn more still so next time someone else asks, perhaps I can be some help too! Another problem I discovered was the fact that during my loading of programs onto the reformatted HD, errors would cause a loss of data; once it impaired the registry. Although Windows repaired it, it used an older version and I lost data once again. So some things had to be reinstalled or setting re-set. It did not always tell me this. So my word to the wise when setting up a new/rebuilt system, is to go ahead and restart every time it asks if you want to, right away, so the loss of data is small if it does freeze up at some point in that process. And the second thing, is to go in and recheck your settings again in case it did not save them for some reason. It is a pain, but better than fixing something else that ain't broke. So that is what finally worked for me. ;-) Thanks again, Kit ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 14:16:11 -0500 From: "Ron Allen" Subject: Re: NIC Gateway or Router (Ron) Hi Kit, >Thanks. I suspect the problem lies in me not understanding things (e.g. >what you just asked me! ;-) No problem :) I'm not a real networking genius myself. There are basically two ways you can connect to a cable/DSL line with multiple computers. First, one machine on the network can act as the gateway to the Internet with all other machines on the network connecting through that machine. This is how Internet Connection Sharing is (usually) set up. In this arrangement, the Internet line goes directly to a network card (NIC) on one machine. That machine has at least one other NIC through which the rest of the internal network is connected. Second, you can have an Internet router, which is a separate box with several network connectors. The Internet connection goes to the router, and each computer on the network is also connected to the router (which also acts as a network hub). In effect, each machine on the network is connected directly to the Internet through the router instead of through a gateway machine. Now, setup using a router is normally so easy and simple as to be ridiculous :) You just plug it all in and turn it on and you're good to go. At least, that's how it has worked for me and many others. There can be various problems, but it's normally just that easy. Setting up a gateway machine using Internet Connection Sharing or some other proxy service is normally quite a bit trickier. The Microsoft Wizard can work great, but frequently it doesn't and then you have a lot of nit-picky troubleshooting and tracking to do to get it to work. >I have a PairGain MegaBit 600F (DSL) Modem and have to input a Gateway >number when I set up. But it is not the number of any of my own >computers, which have to have their own separate IP addresses. I have had >to specify IP addresses. The local tech support helped me and I was one of >their early customers so we figured it out together. Once, there was a >conflict with one of their company's IP addresses, but I am not getting >that error message this time. It sounds to me like you have elements of both of the above scenarios in the mix. My personal experience is with cable, not DSL, which may be the difference. I may be wrong, but it sounds like your DSL modem is acting like the gateway, but does not provide DNS or DHCP services (an actual router provides these services and automatically assigns IP addresses to the machines on your internal network). I just saw that you now have everything working! Great! I'm going to go ahead and send this anyway, for whatever this information may be worth :) Ron ------------------------------ End of 24hoursupport Digest V1 #16 ********************************** Please remember to edit any replies you send to the list on this digest. If you are responding to one post, cut the rest. Thank you... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup - Users can unsubscribe from this list by sending email to 24hoursupport-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at http://web.tampabay.rr.com/spider1/24hrsupport.htm.