Well said, Neil. I might add that we (humans) are the causers, including causing computers to be designed, to be built, and to be programmed, all by original human intentions, which you may call intentionality. Any so-called "intentionality" ascribed to inanimate objects such as computers is merely that lent to them by means of our ingenuity. Computers stand in for us (one might say, as referent-handlers) and do our bidding by remote control. Best regards, Charlie --- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "iro3isdx" <xznwrjnk-evca@...> wrote: --snip-- > My own view, and the one I have been arguing on that older thread, puts > people in a rather different position with respect to their relation to > the world. I see us as more in the role of the engineers. As I see it, > we don't just receive inputs. We engineer those inputs ourselves to suit > our own needs. We may use off-the-shelf (or off-the-DNA) sensors, but > we control how those sensors are used and thus we control what our > inputs are about. Moreover, we monitor our inputs to make sure that they > are about what we want them to be about, and we re-engineer their use, > as needed, to make sure that they continue to provide input that is > about what we want it to be about. And that's why we have original > intentionality. > > Regards, > Neil > ========================================= Manage Your AMR subscription: //www.freelists.org/list/wittrsamr For all your Wittrs needs: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/