jrstern wrote: >Joseph Polanik wrote: >>in my opinion, Searle should have said that consciousness has and >>irreducibly first-person phenomenology. that would mean only that he >>accepts what I call phenomenological dualism -- the irreducible >>difference between measurable phenomena and experienceable >>phenomena. >>the point is that claiming that there is an irreducible >>phenomenological dualism is to stand on dualist ground; but, it is >>not to stand where Descartes stands. >Of course it is. Unless it's worse. Rorty covers this in that >introduction I mentioned yesterday. I've reread the introduction; but, there is nothing there to suggest that noticing the difference between watching a sunset and measuring the wavelengths of the light the sun gives off is equivalent to adopting dualism of the Cartesian stripe. care to elaborate? Joe -- Nothing Unreal is Self-Aware @^@~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@^@ http://what-am-i.net @^@~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@^@ ========================================== Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/