What I don't understand is that while I don't claim to know it all and so forth, I have seen (I'm sure others as well) M$ just take off. I started off with a Vic-20, upgraded to the C-64, then the 128. From there to the Mac. That's when I really started getting into computers heavily. I ran a BBS from my Mac, but a lot of friends were using PC's. So with a little help from them, I put together my first PC. Ran a bbs from that as well. Purely dos. I had a couple of M$ products for my Mac, my favorite was flight simulator! :-) Anyway, Win3.1/1, came along, and as they say the rest is history. More and more programs that use to be prevalent started disappearing. Don't know if they were bought out or went out of business. I do believe that one database program dBase, and others. Wordperfect was almost the defacto word processor, now you don't hear too much about it. Is/was all of this M$ fault? The bottom line is, (some of) the people wanted the program(s) to do this, and to do that. Look how long it has taken M$ to do what the Mac was doing 20 years ago! :-O With all these wants, programs have really bloated up. Not sitting here saying that their (M$) hands are clean, I'm sure they're not, however, the one common thing I see and have seen is, people have always had a choice. Sort of like a person driving a H2 Hummer that gets 4 miles to the gallon complaining about the price of gas! HUH? Some people like Linux, some people don't. Some people like Windows, but hate Office. Some people like Linux, but wish that a certain windows app could be ported. Some windows users want things that run on linux ported to windows. Go figure! Some people are downright maniacs when it comes to either for or against linux and/or M$. A lot of time to the point of being really stupid, along with the Mac versus PC debates. People will have their own likes and dislikes and a lot of people just can't accept that for one reason or another. Take Ray for instance. You'd think he worked in the marketing department of M$. :-) From what I can tell, he REALLY likes the programs he works with. What is so wrong with that? Meanwhile, Mr "I think Bill Gates caused 9-11 and the attack at Pearl Harbor, Linux is the best thing since sex" comes along and berates someone (like Ray) because he (Ray) isn't using Linux and it's beyond his comprehension that Linux isn't for everyone, and the more you try and stuff it down people's throats, the more resistance you will find. So no, this isn't an endorsement for M$, it's an endorsement for using whatever trips your trigger. If everyone used the same thing, and thought the same thing, this world probably wouldn't be worth living in. IMO of course! :-) Hmm? That's two rants from me this morning! :-O On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:00:49 +0200, Errol & Estelle Sapir <errol@xxxxxxxxxxx> had this to say: E&ES> Should I, Shouldn't I E&ES> Get into this discussion??????? E&ES> I can't resist. E&ES> Microsoft has two factors that are commendable IMHO. E&ES> 1. Amazing marketing capabilities. They know how to sell, period. They E&ES> undercut, destroy or buy out the opposition -all legit I guess in the E&ES> business world. E&ES> 2. They invested heavily in translating (almost ) ALL their products to E&ES> foreign languages which gives them THE edge in countries such as mine. E&ES> E&ES> BUT E&ES> from my point of view as a user (and buyer) there are better, cheaper E&ES> programs and OS's out there. Had I been in a only English environment I E&ES> would long ago been using Linux. As Open Office is making great strides E&ES> in Hebrew, I am experimenting with a microsoft free computer, more and more. E&ES> Errol ******************************************************** This Weeks Sponsor StressedPuppy.com Games Feeling stressed out? Check out our games to relieve your stress. http://www.StressedPuppy.com ******************************************************** To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation mode or view archives use the below link. http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm