We have just upgraded to XFree version 4 at the site here. Naturally as the version number increases, we expect a correpong decrease in speed. However it seems to be _exceptionally_ slow with wily. The problem is that every time there is any change to the wily window, (such as moving an overlapping window, or a resize etc) the _entire_ wily window is redrawn, and redrawn slowly. I have no idea whether this has always been the case and I have never noticed it before with lower version numbers of the X server? But it is very noticeable now, taking up to 5 seconds to catch up with all the redraw requests! Could someone who knows about such things explain what is happenning? ian