[webproducers] Re: Facebook
- From: sharongreenfield@xxxxxxxxx
- To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:15:45 -0700
Good point. That's another variable to assess.
On Jul 16, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Prayag Patel wrote:
> I wonder how geography relates to all this facebook v/s myspace deal..
> According to Alexa.com, about 33% of facebook users are US based
> compared
> with over 47% for myspace..
> prayag
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> On 7/16/07, sharongreenfield@xxxxxxxxx <sharongreenfield@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> Oho!
>> As someone who is also in Social Sciences, and like danah a lot (I've
>> read her college thesis), I had to disagree with her over this. I've
>> told her, she needs to be careful here. There is no class division,
>> there is only packets.
>>
>> Think about how many soldiers there are. And then think about how
>> many soldiers are in the field that could be stressed and want to
>> communicate with their families. Now think of the number of officers
>> there are. And their stress level management due to experience and
>> time.
>> Now tell me, if it really is split into the segregated camps per the
>> applications, *why* do you think the military banned one but not the
>> other?
>>
>> PACKET LOAD! Many many many packets of data. They were being
>> inundated, so they banned the biggest problem right in front of
>> them. Does this solve the issue for them? Probably not, but thats
>> beside the point.
>>
>> I'm not even going to go into the families on the other side - do you
>> think Mrs. Soldier would better understand the MySpace interface or
>> the FaceBook one? This is a whole different topic. We can make
>> guesses, but really a research study would have to be set up to
>> really know.
>>
>> So, again, I like danah, but she is being a tad irresponsible for
>> blaming segregation for something as simple and packet load.
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:53 AM, mark krawczuk wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> One thing that might be driving some of the most current round of
>>> FaceBook
>>> signups is this blog entry (June 24, 2007 by danah boyd) that
>>> made its
>>> rounds across the blogosphere:
>>>
>>> Viewing American class divisions through Facebook and MySpace
>>> http://www.danah.org/papers/essays/ClassDivisions.html
>>>
>>> In sum, she says deciding on one or the other is based on class
>>> divisions.
>>>
>>> The lightning rod line is:
>>>
>>> "A month ago, the military banned MySpace but not Facebook. This
>>> was a
>>> very interesting move because the division in the military reflects
>>> the
>>> division in high schools. Soldiers are on MySpace; officers are on
>>> Facebook."
>>>
>>> The whole essay is worth a look, especially for the great
>>> background on
>>> the services.
>>>
>>> - Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrea Hardison wrote:
>>>> This is what I like about Myspace. I think FB is more
>>>> for personal networks (even though myspace is too) but
>>>> people definitely don't use FB for what you're
>>>> describing below.
>>>>
>>>> I think Myspace is just better anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- marj kleinman <marjk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Another thing that's important to point out is that
>>>>> there's a certain
>>>>> marketing trend that's specific to MS--filmmakers
>>>>> and musicians are still
>>>>> creating MS pages for their films and music albums.
>>>>> Maybe they're starting
>>>>> to do this with FB, but I know that people make a MS
>>>>> page for films when
>>>>> they don't want to make a full Website and they can
>>>>> decorate and design them
>>>>> in a way that they probably can't yet on FB.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone else know anything about this with
>>>>> regard to FB?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/16/07 10:57 AM, "Andrea Hardison"
>>>>> <andreahardison@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for forwarding this article along.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I too have noticed that I've received a lot more
>>>>>> Facebook requests, etc. in the past 2 weeks than
>>>>> ever.
>>>>>> I was just talking about this with a couple of
>>>>> friends
>>>>>> of mine last week. I think the new API setup from
>>>>>> Facebook is a good look.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But personally, what is the difference between
>>>>>> FaceBook and MySpace? They are all the same, yet
>>>>>> another networking site launches and continues to
>>>>>> grow, etc. I guess people just love the whole
>>>>> social
>>>>>> networking idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think FaceBook should have stayed within its
>>>>> niche
>>>>>> and focused on the college crowd. Why expand and
>>>>>> become another MySpace??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, sites like FaceBook and MySpace are really
>>>>> good
>>>>>> and assisting with any type of viral marketing
>>>>>> campaigns you have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My .02
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- David Tomere <dtomere@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's a link to an article today about Facebook.
>>>>>>> It's increased
>>>>>>> membership by 20% since May (to 30 mil). The
>>>>> point
>>>>>>> of the article is
>>>>>>> that Facebook has a privacy advantage over, say,
>>>>>>> MySpace:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070715/tc_nm/
>>>> facebook_privacy_dc_1;_ylt=AuGSfcXHY
>>>>>> HPihNk7u0axT_nEHX0V
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But what am I doing on Facebook? I'm over 40 and
>>>>>>> sending out Zombie
>>>>>>> bites to build a zombie army. But with the right
>>>>>>> workgroup apps, FB
>>>>>>> could end up being what Linked-In wants to be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _d
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 04:51 PM 07/15/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> I guess I am in the 20 somethings category, and
>>>>> an
>>>>>>> AVID user of
>>>>>>>> Facebook (not so much MySpace) so this
>>>>> conversation
>>>>>>> is very
>>>>>>>> interesting because I didn't think the FB
>>>>>>> phenomenon would seem so
>>>>>>>> strange to anyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reason it has taken off is because it
>>>>> started
>>>>>>> as a service to keep
>>>>>>>> in touch with college friends (people who went
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> school in the US).
>>>>>>>> So people felt more of a connection. Recently
>>>>> they
>>>>>>> started developing
>>>>>>>> open source apps to add to facebook. Most of
>>>>> them
>>>>>>> are quite useless,
>>>>>>>> to be honest.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have personally used it for marketing as well
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> it wroks great!
>>>>>>>> It's not shady like MySpace. You have the
>>>>> leverage
>>>>>>> for editing privacy
>>>>>>>> settings for every single little item displayed.
>>>>>>> It's great!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/07/07, marj kleinman <marjk@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> WOM (word of mouth) among the 20
>>>>>>> somethings...the other ones are Tagged and
>>>>>>>>> Twitter. There are far too many. Flickr is also
>>>>>>> seen as a social networking
>>>>>>>>> site as is Meet Up and OKCupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/15/07 3:09 PM,
>>>>> "sharongreenfield@xxxxxxxxx"
>>>>>>>>> <sharongreenfield@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Much as I have a FaceBook account that I
>>>>>>> rarely use, as I just don't
>>>>>>>>>> have the energy and time, I still want to pay
>>>>>>> attention to this.
>>>>>>>>>> This seems to be a great way to watch how to
>>>>>>> market; are they doing
>>>>>>>>>> all of this virally? Did they pick out a
>>>>>>> couple hundred or so top
>>>>>>>>>> FB'ers and pay em to go wild? Did they give
>>>>>>> top developers a personal
>>>>>>>>>> schmooze-n-look at the API kind of party? I
>>>>>>> really agree FB seems to
>>>>>>>>>> be reaching a critical mass, but HOW did it
>>>>>>> happen, is of interest to
>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2007, at 1:56 PM, marj kleinman
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Already happening. Apparently, when teens
>>>>>>> younger sisters started
>>>>>>>>>>> joining
>>>>>>>>>>> MS, they started joining FB. Also, it's a
>>>>>>> much better application/
>>>>>>>>>>> site. Much
>>>>>>>>>>> more interactivity/better design.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/14/07 4:18 PM, "Steven Hubert"
>>>>>>> <steven.hubert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I totally agree with you about facebook. I
>>>>>>> have been getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple friend
>>>>>>>>>>>> requests every week for the last few weeks.
>>>>>>> Previously to that I
>>>>>>>>>>>> very rarely
>>>>>>>>>>>> got invites. Maybe opening up the API really
>>>>>>> made a difference and
>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> are joining up. Personally I can't stand
>>>>>>> facebook. You need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> have ALOT of
>>>>>>>>>>>> free time to keep up to date with that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/14/07, David Tomere
>>>>>>> <dtomere@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else noticed that Facebook seems
>>>>>>> to be reaching critical
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> got three Facebook invitations this week
>>>>>>> from unconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends, and my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first last week. Is Facebook going to be
>>>>>>> the new MySpace? It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to shake off its teenybopper
>>>>>>> origins.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS - Anyone going to be in Dusseldorf first
>>>>>>> 2 weeks in Aug?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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