Open the Internet Explorer CM, maureen, and then open the default with ctrl-shift-d. That's how I found it in the MISC options there, or same as in internet Explorer. I never bother with the Execut button in the verbosity dialogues. once you change the option, Close button or Esc will do. Verbosity, however, changes things only for the time being. I must leave it to others to describe what you do about Administrative stuff - since I have never had Windows 2000 nor XP Pro; and the dealer set me up right in the beginning with XP Home. However, I find it a little disturbing if you have to change admin in order to make a JAWS setting stick. (But, I guess, it shows how closely bundled IE is into Windows, etc.) I hope such a change works. If it doesn't, then a repair of JAWS could be on the cards. Simple layout is, and should be, the JAWS default. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Newelll" <mcnewell@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Changing document presentation to simple layout Flor, I should think that I have administration rights as I am the sole owner - how do I find out? One other thing, when I go into verbosity, insert and v, and change it in there, if I tab to the execute button this just changes it back again. It is as if this button is not working. I cannot seem to find "document presentation" in the verbosity section of JAWS CM. Thanks in advance for your help, Maureen. ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:58 PM Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Changing document presentation to simple layout Hi Maureen, First thing after you open configuration manager, do ctrl-shift-d. then go into options as usual. Do what I outlined previously there. Now, there may be the addedproviso Paul mentioned that if you do not have administrative rights, you will have to get them or let the admin do it for you, so that the changes will be saved. perhaps the lack of admin rights has been your problem all along, since its first occurrence. ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maureen Newelll" <mcnewell@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Changing document presentation to simple layout Paul and Flor, thanks for coming back to me but I am not clear on either of your instructions. Paul, it is the simple layout I want but I cannot get it to stay at this. Yes, in the JAWS Manager it is set at this but everytime I go into a web page I have to go into verbosity and change it again in order to read the links in sequence. For instance, with the Cork Examiner, when I go in to this and arrow down it reads "home visited link text only", The simple layout will read it as two separate links or pages. Flor, if I do control shift and D for the default CM, do I have to go into options after this? I don't seem to get anything after I do control/shift/D. ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Traynor" <paul.traynor@xxxxxxx> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Changing document presentation to simple layout Hi Maureen, You have partly sorted the problem yourself, see below for my extra comments. "I have gone into JAWS configuration Manager and in the HTML options this is set to simple layout." p.t. When in the configuration manager and you see that it is set to "simple layout" as you mention above, just down arrow to "screen layout". Then press the enter key. 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