Karyn, Thanks for the good info. I'm training Mits with my gradually = decreasing residual vision as you did Met and already wondering about how = differently I'm going to handle things when I start it all over again seven or ten = years from now. I will have experience in working a guide under my belt by = then, as well as more experience at being blind in general, but I will need to take a much different approach than I have with Mits. So I appreciate hearing about your experiences of doing all again differently. Plus, starting out with a new pup is the most fun, exhilarating, terrifying and hair-raisingly terrifying part. Tami Smith-Kinney -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Karyn and Thane Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:36 PM To: Vi-clicker Subject: (VICT) Mini-Guide and In-Training Guide Dog I thought I would share some thoughts here after my first trip out using = the mini-guide. Keep in mind these are just my thoughts here of how it may = be=20 able to be used to further Thane's training progress. I have not used it = in=20 conjunction with Thane and probably won't until I feel comfortable = enough to set the cane aside. There is one glitch and that is it tends to vibrate when I hit bumps in = the=20 sidewalk hard. Gosh I miss Met's warnings of those uneven spots! With a green dog who you are training or is just not seasoned yet I can = see=20 a few ways this could be helpful to use in conjunction with the dog. I = can=20 train for obstacles in my path with it. I would have a bit of warning = that=20 something is in our way before we play bumper cars. Grin For a dog that = is=20 green and easily distracted it could be a backup to the information we = get=20 from our dogs- for instance right now Thane is people distractible = because=20 plain and simple he loves to greet people. Having this when he gets=20 distracted could be an asset. If pointed in the direction you need to = know=20 about traffic (set at the accurate setting of course) it could be a = backup=20 to what the dog is telling you. The one area where it can do nothing to = help you is drop-offs so obviously you want the dog trained enough that it=20 recognizes these types of obstacles- open man holes, curbs, etc first. It can vibrate with interference occasionally but not at the high=20 vibrational rate that is associated with being right close to an = obstacle. I think I have to also learn the appropriate way to hold it to get the = best=20 benefit- but I am glad I spent the money on it- especially for inside = the=20 store! Wow what a difference to know when people, carts, stands etc are = in=20 my way. I do feel like it will be easier to train Thane with this added=20 knowledge of the environment. No, it does not pick up every little = thing- it depends on the height and direction you are holding it in. I trained Met = as=20 I was progressively losing my vision so it was much easier then. I feel = this will take away a bit of the uncertainty I have. Just thought I would share what I suspect could be the outcome of the=20 mini-guide in training Thane as a guide dog. Karyn and Tha'=20