Karyn, Here are a couple of other sites I've found useful: http://www.lssproducts.com/ http://www.maxiaids.com/ http://www.enablemart.com/Catalog They all carry products for hearing impaired, and the prices are not too heinous. Your delightful Thane stories have helped me track down the reason I constantly feel like I have training issues when my dog is clearly = learning well and is ahead of schedule in her task performance. She's not a = border collie! I spent so much of my early life surrounded by and observing herding dogs that all of the base assumptions I used to come up with my original draft training plan (which Mitsy shredded in under a week) = applied to BCs and their ilk. I've been too busy adapting to Mitsy's behavior = and learning style to go back and figure out what happened. /rotfl/ I'm = such a ditz sometimes. I have to confess that it troubles me terribly that, after nearly a year = of training, my dog is virtually incapable of heeling. She knows how, and = she does try; but unless she's on the verge of collapse from exhaustion, she can't manage more than a couple of minutes before she starts to move out ahead. She did heel all the way home one night when I lost her leash at = the park. We went through a lot of treats between there and here to manage = it, I assure you. Then again, she naturally does leash guiding. Which I inadvertently = trained her out of trying to teach her to maintain a good heel. Now we're = heading back in that direction on our walks, but so far she's simply mad with freedom. /lol/ She's getting over it and settling back into her = natural way of moving ahead while making sure to keep me out of trouble. If I'm having orientation problems with my cane, she will drop back to nudge me back onto the straight and narrow -- or out of the way of overhangs -- = then go back to her apparently carefree trailblazing. Okay, that's not the = same as formal leash guiding, but the principles are there. We're working on maintaining a nice, tight heel in other ways, because = we do need to have that in our toolkit. But when we're out and about and = being casual, I figure that as long as what we're doing works for us, we might = as well got with it and refine it. Still, whoever heard of a dog who doesn't just heel whether it's trained = or not? Are we sure that BCs and poodles are, in fact, the same species? = /smile/ Keep up the good work, and don't drown in the monsoons and typhoons. Tami Smith-Kinney -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of kitty = hevener Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:54 AM To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: (VICT) Re: Kitchen Timers karen, have you tried www.independentliving.com? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "bcpaws4me" <bcpaws4me@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Vi-clicker" <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: (VICT) Kitchen Timers I know this is not a hearing dog list Smile but I have a querry that I = think folks here might be able to better answer for me than on the hearing dog list I just joined. I am looking for tactile kitchen timers. Though I am deaf-blind, I am looking for audible ones so that Thane can respond to = them. Is there a good resource where I might buy something like this online = that hopefully won't charge an arm and a leg. I am going to want at least 3 = of them- preferrably 4 but price will determine how many I can buy = initially. If anyone here can point me in the right direction to get some good = ones, I'd really appreciate it. Thane is already showing hearing dog instincts = and I want to work on this while he is being *Mr. I heard that, you did not* Karyn and Thane --=20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: = 1/4/2008=20 12:05 PM