[TURC] Re: mechanisms for social dialogue
- From: Paul Tulloch <mostlyacog@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "turc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <turc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:27:20 -0500
Hi Bryan,
I have a list somewhere with quite a few sources- let me dig around and see if
I can find it.
I worked for awhile with the Workplace Innovation Group at Federal Mediation
and Conciliation and we were plugged into many of the sector councils and such
- especially on the labour side. Warren Edmondson was my boss back then and
played a critical role in building many of the infrastructure to facilitate
such dialogue. He would ideally be a great resource to speak to on such
matters- he was most recently at the CIRB. Gerald Pelletier was another key
figure I worked for, who left FMCS and went to build the mining sector council-
which I help a bit with. I know the person who was running the Software was
Philemon Paquette- he was a nice person as well.
And of course there was Andrew Sharpe who before the sector councils ran the
CLMPC- I forget what it stood for now? CAnadian Labour Management Partnerships
Council
It was an amazing period- lots of experimenting and best cases practices-
especially with collective bargaining language and the shop floor.
Some in labour, and I was in this camp- looked at it merely as a long
protracted series of concessions by labour of shop floor control over work
processes and wages- towards pay for skill, variable pay and the rest of it. I
recall getting fired over such a belief! Warren had a job to do and I was a bit
of a saboteur on some occasions. However, there was a fine balance by that
many in labour felt had to be maintained by the state- essentially it was a
debate between negotiated change on the shop floor- and sometimes a partnership
approach worked. However there were many instances where labour was pushed into
it, and sometimes with the state helping- that is where I got a bit upset.
There was some direct involvement by facilitating partnerships through the FMCS
with many of their newly designed mediation and conciliation services that
focused on new styles of bargaining- like interest based bargaining and the
like.
HRDC also had some programs that funded innovative attempts at changing the
process between the two parties.
I think the most active sectoral councils were auto, mining, steel, software,
and trucking.
If you would like to discuss any aspects give me a shout, I will see if I can
find the listing - a lot of this was during the early and mid 90's- and it died
down I think in the mid 2000's.
Paul Tulloch
www.livingwork.ca
From: b1evans@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: turc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TURC] Re: mechanisms for social dialogue
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:25:38 +0000
Nope. I have an appointment.
Could do around 4 on Wednesday.
Again around 4 Friday.
Failing that a call will have to suffice, sadly.
From: turc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:turc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Karen
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 11:24 AM
To: turc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TURC] Re: mechanisms for social dialogue
OK, fresh start. Does Wednesday at 10 work for you, for a call or coffee?
Karen Charnow Lior
Toronto Workshop Innovation Group
www.workforceinnovation.ca
416 934 1653, ext. 401
TWIG has moved to
489 College Street
Suite 305
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On Feb 15, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Bryan Evans <b1evans@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Apologies. I thought that was a personal e-mail.
From:
turc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:turc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Bryan Evans
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 11:12 AM
To: turc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TURC] Re: mechanisms for social dialogue
Karen,
How are you!
Making a note to call. Any time better than another?
From:
turc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:turc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Karen
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 11:10 AM
To: turc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TURC] Re: mechanisms for social dialogue
You should talk to me. I wrote a whole report for the CLC in 2004. Not much
since then, but I gave send you to other people to talk about them. Call me on
Tuesday if you want.
hugs and stay warm,
Karen
Karen Charnow Lior
Toronto Workshop Innovation Group
www.workforceinnovation.ca
416 934 1653, ext. 401
TWIG has moved to
489 College Street
Suite 305
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 15, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Bryan Evans <b1evans@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Very helpful Dubi. Much thanks!
From:
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On Behalf Of Dubi Kanengisser
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 7:49 AM
To: turc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TURC] Re: mechanisms for social dialogue
Hi Bryan.
There are a couple of chapters by Charest and by Neil Bradford on
(respectively) Quebec's and Ontario's sectoral initiatives in Gunderson and
Sharpe's 1998 'Forging Business-Labour Partnerships'.
I also know Jean Charest wrote more about them more recently, but have no
references right now.
Hope this helps.
Dubi
On Feb 14, 2015 5:24 PM, "Bryan Evans" <b1evans@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I’m looking for information on sectoral councils, corporatist structures which
facilitate dialogue between labour, employers the state etc on policy issues
but especially such items
as wages.
Any particular websites, studies come to mind?
Best
Bryan
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