Harold, I don't know what it is, but here are some thoughts: I agree with David its not Ashy or Lancet. It looks a bit like female Dragonhunter, the tip of abdomen is turned down as is characteristic of them, and the yellow markings down the abdomen are close to being correct for female Dragonhunter. It seems like its a large dragon from the photo, but the head seems too large and/or thorax seems too small for Dragonhunter. Its one of those other clubtails... I can't get any closer to an id without seeing the side of the thorax better. Richard Connors Nashville In a message dated 6/29/2010 1:27:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, featherbrain1223@xxxxxxxxx writes: I would be interested to hear any comments that you receive on the ID of this. I am not sure as to what species it is, but I know it is neither Ashy nor Lancet. I have been having trouble IDing the female clubtails I have been seeing lately so that's why I am interested to hear what the "experts" have to say about this one. Thanks, David On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Harold Howell <_howellh2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:howellh2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) > wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, In the ongoing saga or trying to separate Ashy and Lancet Clubtails, I would appreciate your comments on these photos. I believe that they are Ashy Clubtails. Their only variation from my guides is that the lance shaped marks on the abdomen do not get smaller as they go toward the end of the abdomen, However, there is no dorsal mark on S9 or S10, which should exist on a Lancet. You may view these photos here: _http://www.flickr.com/photos/hsquare/4745996179/_ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hsquare/4745996179/) _http://www.flickr.com/photos/hsquare/4745996183/_ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hsquare/4745996183/) _http://www.flickr.com/photos/hsquare/4745996177/_ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hsquare/4745996177/) Any comments will be appreciated. Best regards, Harold Howell Rutledge, Grainger County TN -- David Hollie Ringgold, GA Catoosa Co. _http://www.flickr.com/photos/featherbrain1223/_ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/featherbrain1223/)