[THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost
- From: "Jeff Stockard" <jstockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:57:03 -0400
That is a much better explanation. Thank you
Jeff
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bernd Harzog
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:54 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost
Let me do the math for you a different way. Let's assume that you have =
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12 servers and 360 concurrent users (30 per server). Your company =3D
decides to add another 120 concurrent users (totaling 480 concurrent =3D
users). Now you have two choices:
For another 120 concurrent users you need 120/30 or four servers. Four =
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servers will cost you 4*$6,000 or $24,000.
Or you can buy 12 $1,000 licenses of TScale for your existing servers =
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on your exiting servers and saves you $12,000 out of pocket.
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every month to keep them. Most companies that we ask (and who have done
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(outside of the cost of acquiring it). So, even assuming the server was
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FREE, if you can avoid buying four servers you save $4,000 a month. So,
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$4,000 a month, you get payback in three months.
Hope this helps,
Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software, Inc.
bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx
678-455-5506 x701
www.rtosoft.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:jstockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:20 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost
Math is not my strongest suit, but if I can get 33% more users, then I
save 1/3 of a server ($2000). But I purchased a $3000 license to get
it.
My math comes out to $6000, first server.
$12000 for the second and third. This is $18000. Then I need 3 $3000
licenses for a total of $27000.
This will give me the same capacity as a 4 server purchase at $24000,
but I lose the bad app benefit.
I may be using the old math though.
Again, I apologize.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bernd Harzog
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:10 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost
Now, you realize you have just asked for a sales pitch :)
The math for duals. Duals cost around $6000 by the time you add in the =
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OS license, the memory, the networking, power, and rack overhead. You =
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can get at least 33% more users per server by putting TScale on it. That
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means that three licenses that cost you $3000 and you get the same =
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capacity as a purchase of a dual (and you get control of rogue =3D3D3D
applications thrown in for good measure). Bottom line, you save $3,000.
The math for quads. Quads costs at least $12,000 by the time you add =3D
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everything in. You can get at least 33% more users per server by putting
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TScale on it. That means that three licenses that cost you $6,000 and =
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you get the same capacity as a purchase of a quad (and you get control =
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of rogue applications thrown in for good measure). Bottom line, you save
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$6,000.
I hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software, Inc.
bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx
678-455-5506 x701
www.rtosoft.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:jstockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:51 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost
Please forgive me. I am a little thick. If I buy your software to
increase the number of users I can put on a server, you will charge me
more to have a server that will handle what I am paying you for your
software to do?
I am not sure I understand. I like the simple to understand, per user
license. I never buy any software that has a hardware key (way too 1980
for me).
Just my limited knowledge showing, again I apologize.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bernd Harzog
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:32 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost
I am not about to defend AppSense :).=3D3D3D3D3D20
We charge $995 for duals (real duals) and $1,995 for quads (real quads).
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Why charge more for quads than duals. Because customers typically have =
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for value received. It is like paying more for carpet in a 5 bedroom =3D
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house than a 3 bedroom - bigger house requires more carpet.
In my humble opinion what this is really all about is striking a balance
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the customer and having one that generates enough money to the vendor to
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RTO. We do not charge per user for server software. We do not make you =
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across servers if you need to). And we do not charge for hyperthreading.
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cost more than twice what duals cost, so as a percentage of the cost of
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the server our software is actually less expensive on quads.
Cheers,
Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software, Inc.
bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx
678-455-5506 x701
www.rtosoft.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Shonk, Joe - Perot [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D20
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:21 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost
Yup, and to reroof your house shouldn't cost more that the house did.
(ie.. the Appsense suite goes for $3400, I can buy a server plus the OS
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for
that)
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:jstockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:05 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] OT now how much will it cost
For the same reason that, if you have a faster car, gas will cost twice
as much. Wait a minute, they don't do that. Maybe it only costs more
if your car can hold more people. Wait, they don't do that either.
Maybe it's like, if you have a lot of land, the builder will charge you
more to work on your house. No, they don't do that.
I don't understand why after all. It is probably my limited knowledge.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Claudio Rodrigues
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:58 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: SV: Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB
again
I know that. The whole point is that as a developer of TS related apps,
I just do not get why charge people twice the price just because
hyperthreading is there, on TS related software. The same about the
magic US$ 1000 number that I have heard a couple times from people on
the TS arena. Well I guess I need to shut my mouth. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bernd Harzog
Sent: April 21, 2004 9:29 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: SV: Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB
again
Just so everyone knows how this works. There is an OS API call that you
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can make to have the OS tell you how many CPU's there are in the box. In
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Windows 2000 a dual with hyperthreading is reported as a quad by the OS.
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In Windows 2003 it is reported correctly as two physical and two =
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additional "logical" processors.
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the whole server dramatically.
Cheers,
Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software, Inc.
bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx
678-455-5506 x701
www.rtosoft.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Claudio Rodrigues =3D3D3D3D3D3D
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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:54 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: SV: Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE
/3GB =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D
again
Tricerat makes you pay for every single CPU instance the OS finds. :-(
That is bad.
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Evan Mann
Sent: April 21, 2004 8:50 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: SV: Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB
again
I'm glad Microsoft doesn't try to get you for 2 processors licenses for
every single HT enabled processor you have. 2 dual Xeon boxes is bad
enough to licenses, but if you had to pay for 8 CPUs total, ouch!
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Svein Arild Haugum
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:39 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] SV: Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB again
Yes, its true, you need SQL Enterprise edition to use more than 2GB for
=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D SQL. And that cost like hell.
Mvh
Svein Arild
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Fra: Brian Madden [mailto:brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sendt: 20. april 2004 20:22
Til: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Emne: [THIN] Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB again
I don't agree with the statement that SQL will cap at 2GB on a 4GB box.
Using the /3GB switch will allow the SQL service to address 3GB of RAM
instead of 2GB.
I do believe you need to be using the Enterprise Edition of SQL for it
to access more than 2GB of RAM, though.
Brian
Brian Madden
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
+1.202.302.3657
Visit www.brianmadden.com for in-depth Citrix, Terminal Server, and
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Henry Sieff
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:57 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB again
It'll 'use' it, but it won't use it for SQL or exchange - that'll cap at
2
GB on a 4 GB box. I do the same thing; pretty much the only servers I
don't do that with are Citrix and file/print. Also played around with
AWE on SQL, but it actually didn't work out for me (this was early on in
SQL2K, though, so maybe I will revisit the issue).
Henry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Evan Mann
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:53 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB =3D3D3D3D
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Brian Madden
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:45 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB =3D3D3D3D
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Henry Sieff
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:48 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB =3D3D3D3D
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Evan Mann
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:41 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D
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