I'm not only talking about the Microsoft software that is per seat. There are exceptions, but nearly every PC application I have run across, is licensed in this manner. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:08 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix (TSCAL issue) Still per seat. Obviously this is a touchy thing. MS is unable to keep up with the times when it comes to licenses. They want to shift to this whole new way of delivering apps (of course been 4 years now) and still cant get the licensing right. Internally they even disagree on what it means most times. Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect =20 RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 312.961.2380 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx =20 -----Original Message----- From: Frank Monroe [mailto:Frank.Monroe@xxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:02 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix (TSCAL issue) The per user mode is nice, but, what about the per seat for the other desktop software that is on the server? -----Original Message----- From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:45 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix (TSCAL issue) Right now here is what MS's stance is (and it has changed 3 times in the last 6 months) Any 2000 pro workstations will require a purchased TS cal for Windows 2003 server. Any XP pro workstations that Enterprise customers have purchased before the date that 2003 Server goes public will have a 2003 TSCAL. Any XP pro machines/licenses bought after that date will have to purchase a 2003 TS CAL. The thing about the ones bought before the gold date confuses my some. Its like it makes two classes of XP pro, but is really just a way to get more money and doesn't make sense.=3D20 MY GUESS. They will "finalize" their licensing and EVERYONE no matter what OS will have to purchase a per device CAL> I personally see a lot of companies going to the named user license model if MS decides to keep it as it is in RC2 Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect =3D20 RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 312.961.2380 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx =3D20 -----Original Message----- From: John Price [mailto:JPrice@xxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:39 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix (TSCAL issue) Ron -=3D20 Have you seen what I posted earlier? Do you know this to be true or not? I would assume this is going to tick a lot of our customers off: Our instructor in a 2003 Server class earlier this week said that 2000, XP and beyond will not have a "free" built-in TS CAL for 2003. It does for 2000, but will not for 2003. As of right now, they don't plan to. Just the messenger.... John ********************************************************* This Week's Sponsor - ThinPrint Simply the best print solution for Citrix Metaframe and Microsoft Terminal Services! http://www.thinprint.com ********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or=3D20 set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ********************************************************* This Week's Sponsor - ThinPrint Simply the best print solution for Citrix Metaframe and Microsoft Terminal Services! http://www.thinprint.com ********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or=20 set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ********************************************************* This Week's Sponsor - ThinPrint Simply the best print solution for Citrix Metaframe and Microsoft Terminal Services! http://www.thinprint.com ********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or=20 set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ********************************************************* This Week's Sponsor - ThinPrint Simply the best print solution for Citrix Metaframe and Microsoft Terminal Services! http://www.thinprint.com ********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ********************************************************* This Week's Sponsor - ThinPrint Simply the best print solution for Citrix Metaframe and Microsoft Terminal Services! http://www.thinprint.com ********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm