just to add, the taskbar I'm refering to is on the local device. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Higgins, Bob [mailto:BHiggins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: September 23, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: CE thins and nFuse Thanks Ron, If you don't give the users a taskbar, how do you allow them to switch between applications? The environment we built with w2k was very tight, all that could run was iexplorer, and then the published apps. The device auto logs on with a useless local account and launches iexplore to the nfuse site, and could go nowhere else. Iexplore can not be closed. The user can do nothing other than log onto the nfuse site, or turn off the device. The start button is gone, ctrl-alt-del disabled, all windows shortcuts disabled, but we left the taskbar to allow app switching. Am I missing a way to do this without the taskbar? Alt-tab is is not an option for our users. If we can recreate this environment on a CE device, then life is good. :) Bob -----Original Message----- From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: September 23, 2003 9:24 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: CE thins and nFuse I have done this (but not for a thousand users) I am also planning one right now for about 600 or so to access this way. Any. The concept with NFuse is simple. Have the CE client launch to anonymous NFuse (published IE). Then the users can sign into that and launch applications. Alternatively you can have a STRIPPED down desktop with a taskbar. From within the desktop they can use NFuse. BUT I have found that often times it is better to give users the ability to run all the apps right from that desktop (even using the passthrough client to launch apps from other silos) But to address your individual questions: Is it possible to achieve a user bombproof environment with nFuse (Web Interface) on CE devices and still maintain the taskbar? Maintaining a taskbar mean giving them a desktop (even if stripped) Bomb proof would mean mandatory profiles with maybe a flex or hybrid mixed in. That is about as close to bomb proof as you can get. BUT any desktop is a hole, never forget that. What are the pitfalls of CE devices, other than the inability to have any local apps?. Not anything you would want to run.... And generally these devices don't have enough CE to do anything other than connect to a server. How was your experience with implementation? Been good in most cases. I don't like giving the user a desktop if I don't have to. If I do I give them mandatory profiles. If they gripe about saving settings I then add in the flex or hybrid profile kit so the admins determine what is saved and not the user. How do users like the environment? Just fine once they get done gripping. You have to find a balance between giving them anything they want and not giving them anything. I found that these are easiest when moving them from older slower machines. Any other comments? Not now. Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx> -----Original Message----- From: Higgins, Bob [mailto:BHiggins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:44 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] CE thins and nFuse Hi All, We are looking for feedback from larger environments (1000+ devices) that have done nFuse on CE for their core application delivery. We have achieved a satisfactory, end user secured environment on a stripped down w2k shell on PC's, but it took some add ins (PWB, etc.) to achieve the lock down we desired, but still maintain the necessary functionality (taskbar, etc.). Is it possible to achieve a user bombproof environment with nFuse (Web Interface) on CE devices and still maintain the taskbar? What are the pitfalls of CE devices, other than the inability to have any local apps?. How was your experience with implementation? How do users like the environment? Any other comments? Your feedback is appreciated! Bob Higgins, MCSE Information Systems Server Administrator Chinook Health Region 960 19th Street South Lethbridge, Alberta T1J 1W5 www.chr.ab.ca Phone: (403) 382-6338 Fax: (403) 382 6046 E-mail: bhiggins@xxxxxxxxx