[THIN] Re: CE thins and nFuse
- From: "Higgins, Bob" <BHiggins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:17:02 -0600
We are a hospital (actually many hospitals) but we also have hundreds of
admin and support staff that use multiple apps. Assuming for the moment that
all of our users need a local taskbar, can I achieve this with a CE device:
The device boots, and autolaunches internet explorer to the nfuse site.
Intenet explorer cannot be closed, and can go nowhere other than the nFuse
site.
No windows shortcuts work
No start button
Taskbar still there
User can do NOTHING other than log into the nFuse site, or turn off the
device.
This is what we've accomplished with W2K, and we would like to know if we
can achieve a similar end user environment with CE.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: September 23, 2003 10:39 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: CE thins and nFuse
Depends on how you setup IE. I mean do this.....
Publish IE now. But setup an ICA file or connection to NOT run in a seamless
window. From there get to yoru NFuse page and launch and app. Minimize the
App and the NFuse page. Notice they show up minimized in this window. You
can do this with CE clients too. The trick is just to have the user minimize
the application. Its no taskbar but it really depends on how your users work
if they really need a task bar.
In most cases like this I am dealing with hospitals (doctors and nurses) and
as they run around they really don't need 3 or4 or5 apps open. All they need
is one and sometimes two. So opening and app from a web page that opens on
powerup is a no brainer. If they want two the (savy) doctors have figured
out to minimize one and start the other.
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
RapidApp
Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
-----Original Message-----
From: Higgins, Bob [mailto:BHiggins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:47 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: CE thins and nFuse
Thanks Ron,
If you don't give the users a taskbar, how do you allow them to switch
between applications? The environment we built with w2k was very tight, all
that could run was iexplorer, and then the published apps. The device auto
logs on with a useless local account and launches iexplore to the nfuse
site, and could go nowhere else. Iexplore can not be closed. The user can do
nothing other than log onto the nfuse site, or turn off the device. The
start button is gone, ctrl-alt-del disabled, all windows shortcuts disabled,
but we left the taskbar to allow app switching. Am I missing a way to do
this without the taskbar? Alt-tab is is not an option for our users. If we
can recreate this environment on a CE device, then life is good. :)
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: September 23, 2003 9:24 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: CE thins and nFuse
I have done this (but not for a thousand users) I am also planning one right
now for about 600 or so to access this way.
Any. The concept with NFuse is simple. Have the CE client launch to
anonymous NFuse (published IE). Then the users can sign into that and launch
applications.
Alternatively you can have a STRIPPED down desktop with a taskbar. From
within the desktop they can use NFuse. BUT I have found that often times it
is better to give users the ability to run all the apps right from that
desktop (even using the passthrough client to launch apps from other silos)
But to address your individual questions:
Is it possible to achieve a user bombproof environment with nFuse (Web
Interface) on CE devices and still maintain the taskbar?
Maintaining a taskbar mean giving them a desktop (even if stripped) Bomb
proof would mean mandatory profiles with maybe a flex or hybrid mixed in.
That is about as close to bomb proof as you can get. BUT any desktop is a
hole, never forget that.
What are the pitfalls of CE devices, other than the inability to have any
local apps?.
Not anything you would want to run.... And generally these devices don't
have enough CE to do anything other than connect to a server.
How was your experience with implementation?
Been good in most cases. I don't like giving the user a desktop if I don't
have to. If I do I give them mandatory profiles. If they gripe about saving
settings I then add in the flex or hybrid profile kit so the admins
determine what is saved and not the user.
How do users like the environment?
Just fine once they get done gripping. You have to find a balance between
giving them anything they want and not giving them anything. I found that
these are easiest when moving them from older slower machines.
Any other comments?
Not now.
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
RapidApp
Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
-----Original Message-----
From: Higgins, Bob [mailto:BHiggins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:44 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] CE thins and nFuse
Hi All,
We are looking for feedback from larger environments (1000+ devices) that
have done nFuse on CE for their core application delivery. We have achieved
a satisfactory, end user secured environment on a stripped down w2k shell on
PC's, but it took some add ins (PWB, etc.) to achieve the lock down we
desired, but still maintain the necessary functionality (taskbar, etc.).
Is it possible to achieve a user bombproof environment with nFuse (Web
Interface) on CE devices and still maintain the taskbar?
What are the pitfalls of CE devices, other than the inability to have any
local apps?.
How was your experience with implementation?
How do users like the environment?
Any other comments?
Your feedback is appreciated!
Bob Higgins, MCSE
Information Systems Server Administrator
Chinook Health Region
960 19th Street South
Lethbridge, Alberta
T1J 1W5
www.chr.ab.ca
Phone: (403) 382-6338
Fax: (403) 382 6046
E-mail: bhiggins@xxxxxxxxx
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