this is weird, the message i posted has a sign file on it, but it is gray instead of black print. but when you reply it is gone completely. can anyone explain this? i am using Mozilla. well any way, We are Schneider tv dover ohio. i just cut and pasted this from my earlier sign file. Schneider TV & Electronic Inc. 5415 N. Wooster ave. Dover, Ohio 44622 www.geocities.com/schntv2000/ 330-343-0768 FCC. first class & Extra class K8WLY maybe it will show up now. Larry becyn wrote: > Well, larry... > Still no sig file???? why don't you just type it in until you get the > thing to do it automatically,...or ...well...you know the rules...;-) > > Sincerely, > See sig file below! > > Jim McVey > McVey Alltronix > 327 Broadway > Newburgh N.Y. 12550 > > Factory authorized > service for over 20 > major brands. > 845 561 8383 > > > > larry wrote: > > >>thank you again, jim. >>good question, why isnt my name and address at the bottom. >>i dont know >>it was on the original i sent. >>i checked and my signature file is supposed to be at the very >>bottom. >>so i hope it works this time. >>Now on the stereo. >>i am slowly learning, i think. >>i was confused on which ground to use for the voltage >>measurements, but now think i got it. >>on all 5 push/pull 2 transistor output circuits, i read the >>same voltages, -22 on one collector and +23 on the other >>collector and zero volts on the junction of the 2 emitter >>resistors for each of the 5 sets of outputs. >>so , in my opinion i see nothing wrong there. >>also no ohm meter shorts between the output transistor pins of >>any of the 10 output transistors. >>the tuning meter shows signal, but no audio on any of the 5 >>output channels. >>what do i check next?? >>Larry >> >> >> >>becyn wrote: >> >> >> >>>the relay has nothing to do with the voltages seen on the amp board. it >>>only disconnects/connects the the amp output to the speaker terminals. >>>( By the way you dont need any loads hooked up to start the process) DO >>>NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES ENGAGE THE PROTECT RELAY IF LOADS ARE >>>ATTACTCHED!!!!! This will damgage the loads and do furher damage (ie; >>>smoke, flame) to the amp >>> >>>I dont understand what you mean by "no voltage on the junctions". You >>>mean that literally? As in no Vcc or Vee or just no offset at the >>>emitter swamping resistors? (low ohm ceramics)? >>>Perhaps it's as simple as open fuses in the power supply? >>>You need to be very precise in describing the voltages otherwise I can't >>>make head nor tails of it. >>>A normal fail mode is : 1) unit powers up, but no audio out >>> 2) all voltages present at amp and >>>everywhere else, but a DC offset of 1volt or more can be measured at >>>the power amp's output connection. (you must measure it at the pcb) >>>You might have something else, especially if you really don't see ANY >>>voltages at the amp, but you're gonna have to do some >>>troubleshooting...or send it to ME for repair!! ;-) >>>By the way, whats your company name and address? I'm surprised that >>>Jeff didn't get on you about this! >>> >>>Jim McVey >>>McVey Alltronix >>>327 Broadway >>>Newburgh N.Y. 12550 >>> >>>Factory authorized >>>service for over 20 >>>major brands. >>>845 561 8383 >>> >>>larry wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>thank you for the advice. >>>>I do mostly tv repair but fix a few audio, now and then. >>>>most the time i can check the collectors and find a short or >>>>see burnt resistors. >>>>but this time none of the 5 output transistors have a short >>>>and no burnt resistors. >>>>i have no voltage on the junctions of the transistors, where >>>>the outputs are connected. >>>>but i doubt i would, because the relay never closes. >>>>the power supply has normal voltage to the relay. >>>>i am afraid to manually close the relay. >>>>what is my next step? >>>>Thank you, >>>>Larry >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>becyn wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Are amps new to you? >>>>>IF you have voltages and no output, the thing is in protect mode which >>>>>kicks in if a dc voltage is dectected on the amp out node. Otherwise, >>>>>the speaker would burst into flames-(not good ;-) >>>>> >>>>>No doubt one (or more) of the amps have a dc offset caused by shorted >>>>>output transistor, drivers or problem with the differential amp. happy >>>>>hunting... >>>>> >>>>>Jim McVey >>>>>McVey Alltronix >>>>>327 Broadway >>>>>Newburgh N.Y. 12550 >>>>> >>>>>Factory authorized >>>>>service for over 20 >>>>>major brands. >>>>>845 561 8383 >>>>> >>>>>larry wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>the readout lites, tunes stations, but no sound. >>>>>>please , any clues where to start? >>>>>>I have plus and minus 45 volts and also 23 volt + and -. >>>>>>Larry >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>Lost Password: >>>>>http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". >>>>>Email Archives: >>>>>//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Lost Password: >>>http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". >>>Email Archives: >>>//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lost Password: > http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". > Email Archives: > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ > -- Schneider TV & Electronic Inc. 5415 N. 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