thank you for the advice. I do mostly tv repair but fix a few audio, now and then. most the time i can check the collectors and find a short or see burnt resistors. but this time none of the 5 output transistors have a short and no burnt resistors. i have no voltage on the junctions of the transistors, where the outputs are connected. but i doubt i would, because the relay never closes. the power supply has normal voltage to the relay. i am afraid to manually close the relay. what is my next step? Thank you, Larry becyn wrote: > Are amps new to you? > IF you have voltages and no output, the thing is in protect mode which > kicks in if a dc voltage is dectected on the amp out node. Otherwise, > the speaker would burst into flames-(not good ;-) > > No doubt one (or more) of the amps have a dc offset caused by shorted > output transistor, drivers or problem with the differential amp. happy > hunting... > > Jim McVey > McVey Alltronix > 327 Broadway > Newburgh N.Y. 12550 > > Factory authorized > service for over 20 > major brands. > 845 561 8383 > > larry wrote: > > >>the readout lites, tunes stations, but no sound. >>please , any clues where to start? >>I have plus and minus 45 volts and also 23 volt + and -. >>Larry >> >> >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lost Password: > http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". > Email Archives: > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ > -- Schneider TV & Electronic Inc. 5415 N. Wooster ave. Dover, Ohio 44622 www.geocities.com/schntv2000/ 330-343-0768 FCC. first class & Extra class K8WLY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lost Password: http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". Email Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/