Mervyn Totally agree with you, its the way forward to future ITS solution and is = the perfect tool to tackle congestions management, ever changing transport = policies and more importantly "Reducing Costs".=20 Regards Jayesh Parmar Senior Engineer Transport Systems=20 York House=20 91 Granby Street Leicester LE1 6FB TEL: 0116 2995669 E-mail: Jayesh.Parmar2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> <mervyn.hallworth@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 02/04/2008 12:16 >>> Phil, It seems clear to me - UTMC is the 'perfect' product. Although not = easy=20 to explain, everyone else seems to be implementing it - and although = few=20 may actually understand it - it's obviously desirable and so we all = want=20 it!=20 Mervyn =20 "Morar Jag \(ST\)" <Jag.Morar@xxxxxxxxxx>=20 Sent by: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 02/04/2008 10:34 Please respond to tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 To <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [TCUG] Re: UTMC Dave/Peter It is not very easy to explain this subject..... I was in fact thinking of doing a paper (through my own personal interest) on what we have nationally achieved through UTMC and also to be able to determine a clear roadmap/strategy for future systems but this would take quite considerable time and research. However, in essence it is all about communication between components, interoperatibility and interchangeability which is achieved through adherence to the OSI reference model and also by use of the TCP/IP suite of protocols such as - UDP, TCP, IP, SNMP, FTP etc.=3D20 It is also about developing underlying hardware/software interfaces that enable you to create truly open standards and thereby the 'plug and play' that we are able to do with the MS Windows based computer products. This is the 'holy grail'. Question is - Have we achieved this goal? Kind regards, Jag xxxxxxxxx Jag, Does it not simply refer to an open and common architecture which will allow anyone who is interested to develop bolt on systems rather than relying on just 2 manufacturers to come up with all the ideas... just like Microsoft Windows? Peter =3D20 We are currently upgrading to UTMC so we can take full advantage of to allow us to because many ITS applications=3D20 Peter Jones Principal Traffic Systems Engineer Phone: +44 (0) 151 934 4254 Fax: +44 (0) 151 934 2850 Sefton MBC - UTC 3rd Floor Magdalen House 30 Trinity Road Bootle L20 3NJ -----Original Message----- From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Oliver, David Sent: 01 April 2008 16:46 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 Subject: [TCUG] Re: UTMC Jag, It is a bit fudged but basically I mean any authority that employs a common database system or modern IP type comms packages or are actively pursuing procurement of same to give increased options for traffic management strategy. Hope that's a bit more specific. Regards, Dave -----Original Message----- From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Morar Jag (ST) Sent: 01 April 2008 15:55 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 Subject: [TCUG] Re: UTMC Dave, What do you mean by UTMC systems? When UTMC started the focus was on UTC application only. Then as the consultants got on the gravy train they created the IP glue to connect all the various instation systems to the Common database based on Corba. As time passed we have people claiming to supply UTMC detection. I understand that the current consensus is that UTMC system is anything that runs using the Internet Protocol. So once again can you please define what you mean by UTMC systems? 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