[TCUG] Re: Pedestrian Crossing Zig-Zags & Decriminalisation of Parking Restrictions
- From: Bull Peter <Peter.Bull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:55:31 +0100
I think the combination of double yellows and zig-zags is distinctly dodgy -
you might need a test case to determine the legality, not something to be
undertaken lightly. Our police are also becoming more and more reluctant to
enforce anything other than regulations which can be seen to have a direct
safety benefit. However, I think parking on zig-zags is clearly dangerous,
and you would probably not have any trouble getting the police to enforce it
(they ought to have plenty of time since they won't be enforcing any other
parking/loading restrictions). A couple of high profile prosecutions would
probably sort out any tendency towards escaping the clutches of your meter
maids.
Most drivers probably aren't cute enough to work out the dodge. However,
when we first started, we did have one who realised that if he didn't put
any money in the meter at all when he arrived in the morning it stayed in
"Penalty" which our people couldn't enforce. He even used to lean out of the
window and jeer at them. They retaliated by waiting till he went back in his
office then putting the minimum onto his meter themselves so they could do
him for overstaying on their next trip round - worth 20p of anyone's money!
Pete Bull
-----Original Message-----
From: Alistair McClean [mailto:alistair.mcclean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 29 July 2002 13:29
To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TCUG] Pedestrian Crossing Zig-Zags & Decriminalisation of Parking
Restrictions
At Nottingham City Council we already employ Parking Enforcement Officers to
enforce metered on-street parking spaces in Nottingham City Centre, and the
authority is currently moving towards decriminalisation of all parking /
loading restrictions within its administrative boundary.
This has created a potential problem at pelican / puffin / toucans with
zig-zag markings. It would appear that those involved in the decrim process
are proposing that due to a potential lack of police enforcement on these
zig-zags, they will be seen as a good place to park to escape the clutches
of the council employed enforcement officers. Therefore TROs are being
processed to allow yellow lines to be laid in all pedestrian crossing
controlled zones, in addition to the zig-zags, to enable enforcement by the
Officers.
Our concerns in Traffic Signal Design are that, at best, the combination of
yellow lines and zig-zags may not be enforceable, and that if there was an
accident at a crossing site whilst a vehicle was stopped on the zig-zags,
the authority would be liable as the 'no stopping at any time' message of
the zig-zags would be contradicted by the 'no parking' message of double
yellow lines (i.e. loading/unloading, picking up/setting down is
permissible) (a no loading at any time Order is not proposed as this would
require a public enquiry).
I have been led to believe that other authorities in this situation have
provided both yellow lines and zig-zags. If so, was authorization obtained?
Does anyone have experience in this matter?
Alistair McClean
Traffic Signal Design - Nottingham City Council
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