It was my understanding is that Toucans are the only controlled crossings where Zig-Zags are not enforceable. All other crossing types should be covered by the Pedestrian crossing regulations. East Sussex County Council normally write to the Police to see if this is acceptable. Peter Hodge Senior Engineer Owen Williams consultants -----Original Message----- From: Welsh, Paul [mailto:Paul.Welsh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 29 July 2002 16:17 To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [TCUG] Re: Pedestrian Crossing Zig-Zags & Decriminalisation of Pa rking Restrictions I suggest you look very carefully at the Pedestrian Crossing Regulations, very carefully indeed. PW -----Original Message----- From: Alistair McClean [mailto:alistair.mcclean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 29 July 2002 13:29 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TCUG] Pedestrian Crossing Zig-Zags & Decriminalisation of Parking Restrictions At Nottingham City Council we already employ Parking Enforcement Officers to enforce metered on-street parking spaces in Nottingham City Centre, and the authority is currently moving towards decriminalisation of all parking / loading restrictions within its administrative boundary. This has created a potential problem at pelican / puffin / toucans with zig-zag markings. It would appear that those involved in the decrim process are proposing that due to a potential lack of police enforcement on these zig-zags, they will be seen as a good place to park to escape the clutches of the council employed enforcement officers. Therefore TROs are being processed to allow yellow lines to be laid in all pedestrian crossing controlled zones, in addition to the zig-zags, to enable enforcement by the Officers. Our concerns in Traffic Signal Design are that, at best, the combination of yellow lines and zig-zags may not be enforceable, and that if there was an accident at a crossing site whilst a vehicle was stopped on the zig-zags, the authority would be liable as the 'no stopping at any time' message of the zig-zags would be contradicted by the 'no parking' message of double yellow lines (i.e. loading/unloading, picking up/setting down is permissible) (a no loading at any time Order is not proposed as this would require a public enquiry). I have been led to believe that other authorities in this situation have provided both yellow lines and zig-zags. If so, was authorization obtained? Does anyone have experience in this matter? 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