In addition to previous comments regarding LED lamp monitoring, TES (Traffic Engineering Services) also have a lamp monitoring system that enables array and/or CLS (central light source) type LED aspects to be monitored on present traffic controllers. There are currently 18 LED signals trial sites, that have been in situ for over 18 months (using TES-GEL LED lamp monitorable signals) in London Borough of Croydon. You can contact TES on 07977-432-995. Orlando Jaward Development & Research Directorate of Traffic Operations, Surface Transport Correspondence address Transport for London Windsor House, 42-50 Victoria Street London SW1H 0TL Location 25 Eccleston Place, London, SW1W 9NF Please note new e-mail address below:- T + 44 (0) 20 7126 2214 F + 44 (0) 20 7126 2032 E orlando.jaward@xxxxxxxxxx >P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > -----Original Message----- From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Morar Jag (ST) Sent: 18 July 2008 16:23 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TCUG] Re: Lamp Monitoring of LED Heads on Siemens RMS Further to my earlier email, so that the user community is well informed, I have been advised that TSEU have developed a new Intelligent Lamp Monitor unit (I2LM) that is capable of monitoring their CLS optics (both LV and ELV). I understand that this is being utilised in the LED roll out project in Kent. The I2LM is capable of doing both safety red monitoring as well general aspect monitoring and outputs (volt free contacts) to the controller or a remote monitoring outstation. It should be noted that 3rd part LED signals have not been characterised yet so the I2LM can only be used with TSEU signals. Jag -----Original Message----- From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Morar Jag (ST) Sent: 18 July 2008 13:48 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TCUG] Re: Lamp Monitoring of LED Heads on Siemens RMS Robert, The Siemens RMS lamp monitoring is designed for conventional lamp monitoring through the torroids at the phase outputs. Conventional current monitoring of 240v LED optics at the controller is difficult, if not impossible, due to the very low and irregular current profile and harmonics from the switched mode supply. This is probably why TSEU provide sense wiring from the monitoring that is done directly on the optic. However, I also suspect the OMU does not have software that is designed to report lamp faults using such inputs. However, I believe lamp current monitoring of LED aspects should become easier when we move to ELV operation - as see on the Siemens ST900 ELV controller. Jag Morar=3D3D20 Transport for London Directorate of Traffic Operations 25 Eccleston Place=3D3D20 London=3D3D20 SW1W 9NF=3D3D20 0207126 2754=3D3D20 Please note my new email address: jag.morar@xxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20 -----Original Message----- From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Mansell Sent: 17 July 2008 15:41 To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TCUG] Lamp Monitoring of LED Heads on Siemens RMS When installing a Siemens RMS OMU into a non-Siemens controller, you would normally fit torroids to perform lamp monitoring. Our new sites are now installed with LED signals, has anyone any experience of how RMS copes with monitoring LEDs? 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