This seems similar to a proposal put to me from Wales Assembly Government for a count down timer (supplier unknown) that displayed secs until green man appeared. They were going to trial but I don't know if it was ever done. However my concern was it could only every work on a fixed time site as if on VA, SCOOT etc how would it know when changes were going to occur and start to time down? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Wallis, Ian [mailto:Ian.Wallis@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 16 June 2004 08:40 To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [TCUG] Re: German Ped Aspects *** Before reading or acting on this e-mail, or opening any attachment, please read Derby City Council's disclaimer and confidentiality statement at the end of this e-mail *** I noticed in Gutersloh an additional ped head which showed the message "green coming" for the last few seconds of vehicle green, presumably to stop impatient pedestrians running across the road just before they got a green man. Ian Wallis Derby City Council -----Original Message----- From: Saffer Howard [mailto:Howard.Saffer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 15 June 2004 16:02 To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [TCUG] Re: German Ped Aspects In Dublin, they use three aspect ped heads at some sites (R / A / G man signals)- but two aspect ped heads at other sites. Howard Saffer Traffic Signal Design Group DEL - Development Services Sheffield City Council Tel: 0114 - 273 - 6154 Fax: 0114 - 273 - 6182 Mailto:howard.saffer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Arundel, Justin [mailto:Justin.Arundel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 15 June 2004 15:54 To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [TCUG] German Ped Aspects On a recent trip to Germany I noticed that they use three aspect ped heads with two red men. Does anyone know the official reason for this, is it a fail safe or did they get a job lot of three aspect heads? 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