From: "Denis Dodson" <coocoo@xxxxxxx> Reply-To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:56:28 -0600
Hi everybody. Poor Caroline. I think that you are traveling in the land of "if". Not quite T4 hell yet. If you can find a decent head, and if you can find a machine shop to do a decent job and if you can install and adjust everything correctly you should dance with the engine what brung ya. The cost and trouble of replacing your engine with any other setup will truly put you into Hell, with a capital H . Jeez, if you are going to lose your mind and all your money doing a swap, put in the Subaru, or whatever the waterboxer swap is.
I Have a 1914 and I was real specific that it be a strong motor as opposed to a fast motor. A stroke combined with machined 88s. I say this because I guess it would be considered a "get up and go". I can go 70 and I can carry 18 80 lb bags of cement (1440 lbs), but I don't think you would be happy with the speed or quickness of a type 1 after driving a T4. Dan zooms pretty good in Homer, but I'm always surprised that a T1 can push around the weight of a Bay.
Talk to Derek at Way Out about the heads.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Trey Jung" <Trey.Jung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: [tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update
I talked with Raby at one time about building me a get up and go Type 1....rats...then he stopped building them for now
-----Original Message----- From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Martin Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:54 PM To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update
I can see wanting to keep the T4 if you can. You should be able to find good "core" heads. I think any real machine shop can do a good job if they try, and it sounds like you have that covered. If they are willing to guarantee their work you are golden. I know all about the "get-up-and-go upright" you are talking about. I have built it a hundred times in my head, driving around a "stock" engined bus.
So many options......
On Nov 28, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Brian Denning wrote:
aircooled.net sells a fiberglass piece that will make a type 1 fit and
look factory. i have considered that from day 1. however a part of me wants to keep it as stock as possible. i have found a 1.7 head that is
good and have a friend who does machine work and that is my current option. for 50 a head he can bore it and rebuild it. the 1.7 head will set me back another 75. still a lot cheaper than going out and buying either a new motor or new heads and they will be like new. this friend garuntees all repairs. he says he is not going to have to pay for a t4 motor so he will definately do it right. perhaps this is a good option. but if all else fails i have a 1600 dual port in my shop that is looking more and more like what i will use it just needs a complete overhaul. i guess i could drop in the money and make i nice get-up-and-go upright. i don't know, like i said
i am still weighing out my options.
From: Dan Martin <danandkatrinamartin@xxxxxxx> Reply-To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:22:28 -0600
There is OE tin in europe and south america, late model buses with T1 engines are common, just not imported to the U.S.. There is a known defect in the T4 head design. The seats have been falling out of the heads from day one. My father killed the last of his 3 buses, a 74 or 75 when the exhaust valve seat fell out of the number 3 cylinder. He was so proud of the "porsche" motor he had in his new bus, it died at 18 thousand miles. I think there a couple people around who have them figured out, Jake Raby comes to mind.I would think Derik at Way Out might know of a good shop closer to you guys. But I don't think there is any cheap and easy around a full blown head redo at a professional (expensive and increasingly rare) machine shop that know how to work on the T4 head. I feel your pain, but I guess that is the price you pay for all that extra speed and power the T4 gives you.
On Nov 28, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Mark Sawyer wrote:
I have seen many people put a T1 engine in a late model bay window.
You just have to fabricate the sheet metal to seal it in.
Brian Denning <i_am_cool_fred@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: ok so everyone is always giving me a hard time about ol' caroline. well here is a new one for you. i know robb and neil already know about this one. so i was driving 2 thursdays ago and well i get about half way to work (20 miles) and she starts to make a loud noise. well ok pull over and assess the problem. can't really find a problem so i call andrew barnes. wake his poor butt up and say can you diagnose this over the phone. well we were both close on the assessment. sounded like a blown manifold gasket. so i pull out the manifold and replace the gasket and put it all back together. tightened the head bolts while i had it apart none were loose just went over them all just in case per request from andrew. i started it up and well it sounded just the same. ok so i bring in some backup and well we decide that it is possibly a blown he ad gasket (wtf) so we pull the head off and well not good. it wasn't exactly a head gasket. evidently there was a fracture or something in the head that wasn't seen before. and well i blew a hole in the head about a 1/4" long and about 1/8" deep right next to where the spark blug would be. now this head has given me problems before so now i am just about to sell her for a beetle. but i took a breather
and now i am in search of one more 1.7 head so i can send both of them off and have them bored out. i have been told that they are more durable then the 2.0, the valve
size is the same, and the one that i have is round port and so i need one more and then i send them off to be bored and have new valves put on.
yea denis i know i am yet again in t4 hell. and the funny thing about it the beginning of the week before thanksgiving i was going to make a post that i was in t4 heaven.
i am starting to think the late bays were put together with spare parts layin around.
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