Thanks Lynn. Just so you understand my point though, just knowing there's a bus stop at any given intersection, even if it's got tactile bumps where it is, doesn't help a blind person find the bus stop. these SoundPost devices would help you do that if you got on the correct corner at least; I don't know if they would work across an intersection; I imagine it can be more than 90 feet. It would, in general, be great if these devices were used in public buildings to show blind people where the bathrooms were, on the university campus to show where building and their entrances were, the usefulness is fantastic, if you could get people to start using them. If the manufacturer would consent to do custom runs for vocabularies for all the unused numbers available (he's currently only using 185 terms which describe the type of base station location), StarMetro could have a set of eprom chips done for instance, and have a device hung on the front of each bus so that as it pulled up, your handheld unit would say "bus 80x", or FSU could have a set of chips done, which identified each building by name ("south entrance of Strosure Library" for example). it would be even better if some device with a GPS navigation system (the Trekker just for instance), also had this capability, so that it could both get you in the general visinity, and then take you right to the point. but in any case, we'd have to get someone to start using them so we can show people who will ultimately pay for them, how useful they are. Chip ------------------------------ Chip Orange Database Administrator Florida Public Service Commission Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (850) 413-6314 (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.) ________________________________ From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lynn Evans Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:27 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: an idea for Nova 2010 There was a brief talk at the Monday meeting at the Lighthouse to use some type of tactile marker at the base of each bus stop sign to mark the signs position. Some type of raised marker on the sidewalk. Also there is a list of transfer points on the NOVA 2010 site now. Only two points hve audible signals. the link is: http://www.talgov.com/starmetro/nova2010_routes.cfm#3 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Orange <mailto:Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: [tabi] an idea for Nova 2010 Hi all, I know this hasn't been discussed all that much, but one of the potential problems I see with nova 2010 is that a lot, if not all, of the bus stops will be relocating. It seems likely that those who have memorized the locations of the current stops will have some difficulty in locating the new stops from just a text description. so, the idea I'd like to hear comment on, is how about use of the devices that I just posted a press release for, the SoundPost? it looks to me if StarMetro, or someone, would purchase and install the base stations at the bus stops, and someone would buy and distribute for a nominal price the handheld units, these would do nicely for helping people locate the stop. the site isn't entirely clear on how they work, so I called the developer, and we spoke for a few minutes. the base stations emit an I/R beam, and the hand helds vibrate or beep when you come within range. you can then begin to move the handheld in a circle, aiming it at different directions, and you'll get a strong indication as to which direction the beam is coming from, plus a spoken identification of the type of installation the unit is placed at (it's any of 185 different, predefined, types such as "bus stop", "women's restroom", "government building", etc.). they have a range of about 30 meters, or 90 feet. so, does anyone else think these things would be helpful for this project, and should we take this idea to StarMetro? thanks. Chip ------------------------------ Chip Orange Database Administrator Florida Public Service Commission Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (850) 413-6314 (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.) Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI and please make suggestions for new material. if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject.