Hi Istavan, Agreed that Greg's book is about chip-to-chip timing analysis and that the on-chip timing issue is a whole other ball of wax. By the way si-lister, I notice that the article that places highest in a Google search on signal integrity is the Wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_integrity This article appears to have been largely penned by Lou Scheffer and is derived from a chapter on on-chip SI in the handbook he edited: "Electronic Design Automation For Integrated Circuits Handbook, by Lavagno, Martin, and Scheffer, ISBN 0-8493-3096-3 A survey of the field of electronic design automation. Portions of IC section of this article were derived (with permission) from Vol II, Chapter 21, Noise Considerations in Digital ICs, by Vinod Kariat." I was wondering if any expert here was interested in expanding/contributing to the article? If so, a good starting point is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction Best, -- Colin Still looking for feedback at http://signal-integrity-tips.com/feedback/ -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Istvan Nagy Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:13 PM To: Jennifer Maharani; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Timing analysis hi i think we deal with timing in 2 a littlebit different aspects : -on-board interface and interconnect timing. taking every chip as a black box. specifying PCB layout length and matching constraints, validating the designs. -on chip logic and interconnect timing, and IO timing seen from the chip. Mostly for VLSI/ASIC/FPGA-based on-chip logic design, but also to understand board-level timing too. if you think about it, they are the same thing, but at a littlebit different starting points. Greg Edlunds book is trying to talk about the first one, but I think lots of things are missing from that. so, i would suggest to check also the jedec 79B, 79C, 21C standards, and search for appnotes, from Texas instruments, Altera, Micron, Cadence. But for start, Gregs book is quiet good. About the second one, i would suggest this one: (I just started reading it few days ago. its a brand new book) http://www.amazon.com/Static-Timing-Analysis-Nanometer-Designs/dp/0387938192/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241797932&sr=8-1 regards, Istvan Nagy, CCT, UK ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu