Dear Zhangkun, You may be interested in work done by Bruce Archambleut(IBM) that says pretty much the same thing. you can download the presentation slides from http://www.ieee.org/rmcemc - Archives =2003- May 20th. -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Zhangkun Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:42 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Stack up for EMI reduction,plane resonance and u-str ip radiation etc etc Dear all: I have reviewed the mails in this thread. The following is my points. a)From my view, I am caring about the EMI of PCB. Very small common mode noise will give rise to critical EMI problem. In my experience, the common mode noise is proportional to the impedance of power delivery systems. This has been verified by measurement and simualtion. b)I have done some measurement. No matter have many caps are placed on the boards, the impedance of PDS beyond 200MHz will not get better. It should be clarified that now I do not use cap less than 1000pF. When the caps less than 1000pF is used, there will be a lot of antiresonance. This is also verified by simualtion and measurement. c)I have not studied the interaction between signal in trace and noise in plane. However, I have treated one case, in which the noise in plane seriously affect the signal in trace. After we eliminate the noise in plane, the signal become very good. Best Regards Zhangkun 2004.2.13 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu