On 7 Apr 2009 at 12:41, Lee Ritchey wrote: > Steve, > > Several people responded with claims of real cases. Those are the > ones that should be advanced to support the claims made. > OK... a real case. Power electronics without split planes is often a no-go. I make layouts for power inverters, motor controls etc. for nearly a decade now. There seems to be no big difference between SI and EMC. Power designs that work thanks of good internal SI don't make much EMC trouble, on the other hand a design with severe EMC flaws will primarily disturb itself. Real case: a laser diode power supply (step down converter, about 200 kHz from 20V DC down to 3Volts, 120 Amps diode current, board size about a half palm). There is electrically one ground, but must be split to separate the high, switched currents (and back current paths) from control stuff. Controller IC claims to need the star point under its belly. The first example that did work but not yet perfectly (6 layers, planes split as good as possible but by design and lack of layer space instead of a star "point" a rather large region under the controller IC which joins power ground (with 120 Amps switched return currents) and digital control ground and analog (current and other sensing stuff ground). That was still not enough separation against some switching spikes galvanically coupled to the sensitive stuff. Design changed, 2nd shot is currently at our prototype shop. 2 additional layers with completely separate planes for the different grounds and combined only on a group of 3 adjacent vias. I'll report whether this was enough to make it run flawless. Regards Matthias Mansfeld -- Matthias Mansfeld Elektronik * Printed Circuit Board Design and Assembly Neithardtstr. 3, D-85540 Haar, GERMANY Phone: +49-89-4620 0937, Fax: +49-89-4620 0938 E-Mail: m.mansfeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Internet: http://www.mansfeld-elektronik.de ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu