>Thanks for your input. I am not very clear on what you mean by >the frequency of interest. Is it the frequency range where the cap. >is most effective (frequency of resonance, ex. 232 MHz for a 470 pf >cap.) or the freq. that the device is running at. If it is the freq. the >device is running at then what I understand from your email, all the >capacitors should be at the same distance from the IC because they >are all supplying the same IC. > >According to you the distance between the cap. and IC does not >effect the loop inductance. If this is the case then why can we get >away by placing the smallest capacitor closest to the pin and the >once with the bigger values away? > When one selects decaps for a design, one method that we have found to be very effective is to carefully select the values of the capacitors such that the composite (or superposition) of the individual capacitor impedance profiles produces a relatively flat impedance profile whose value is below some target impedance. The number of decaps required is a function of the target impedance, the caps ESR and the mounted loop inductance. We have developed in-house tools to aid in designing the decoupling system based on this principle. There is now a commercial tool available that implements this function also. As you mentioned, various values of capacitance will resonate at various frequencies. (the capacitance resonates with the mounted loop inductance). It is this resonant frequency that you need to pay attention to when determining how far from the decoupled chip you can be. Small value caps with high resonant frequencies need to be real close to the part that is being decoupled. Large valued caps with relatively low resonant frequencies can be much farther away and still be effective. In a typical design you may have 10-20 different decap values, each with their own resonant frequency. Each value will have different "effective radius of influence". Taking a step backwards to look at the big picture, a power distribution system is basically composed of a source of current (a VRM for example), bulk capacitors, ceramic capacitors, power planes, and the current consuming load. The VRM can supply current transients up to a MHz or so, the bulk caps are effective in somewhat the same range (a fast VRM can obviate the need for a lot of big bulk caps). The ceramic decaps are effective from a few MHz up to perhaps a hundred or two hundred MHz. Beyond that, the power planes are your only real effective means of decoupling. The power planes also serve as a conduit between your decoupling capacitors and the devices consuming the current. There is a loop inductance associated with the capacitors and the planes. There is also a loop inductance associated with the current consuming load (IC) and the planes. These are two distict loop inductances. Each should be minimized, but they are not related to each other. The loop inductance associated with the caps limits the current the caps can supply to the planes. The loop inductance associated with load limits the current the planes can supply to the load. -Ray Anderson Sun Microsystems Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu