Han, Inductance requires knowledge of the complete loop or an assumption of = the complete current path. Where is the other solder ball?=20 Aubrey Sparkman=20 Enterprise Engineering Signal Integrity Team Dell, Inc.=20 Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx=20 (512) 723-3592 -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] = On Behalf Of Bi Han Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:55 AM To: weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx; List` Si Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Re: Flip Chip Solder Ball inductance I guess I could use VIA formula (5*H*ln(4h/d)) to estimate the = inductance, since that applies to both via and bonding wire. It should = works fine generally for bump. =20 Steve: why you think it does not make sense?=20 =20 Maybe its inductance is too low so that trace parasitics start to = dominate over. =20 thanks, Han =20 steve weir <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx> =A3=BA Bi, the inductance of a single ball makes no real sense. If you do = find=3D20 such a formula, be careful to identify the assumptions about = the rest of=3D20 the path, and make sure that they also apply to your = circumstances. Steve At 05:25 AM 9/20/2005 -0700, Bi Han wrote: >Hi: > >Is there any quick formula to estimate the solder ball inductance,=20 >given=3D20 the geometric size, such as diameter/height. > >thanks, >Han > > > >--------------------------------- >=20 >=3DD1=3DC5=3DBB=3DA2=3DC3=3DE2=3DB7=3DD1G=3DD3=3DCA=3DCF=3DE4=3DA3=3DAD=3D= D6=3DD0=3DB9=3DFA=3DB5=3DDA=3DD2=3DBB=3DBE=3D >F8=3D =3DCE=3DDE=3DC0=3DAC=3DBB=3DF8=3DD3=3DCA=3DBC=3DFE=3DC9=3DA7=3DC8=3DC5=3D= B3=3DAC=3DB4=3DF3=3DD3=3DCA=3DCF=3DE4 > = =3DD1=3DC5=3DBB=3DA2=3DD6=3DFA=3DCA=3DD6=3DA3=3DAD=3DCB=3DD1=3DCB=3DF7=3D= A1=3DA2=3DC9=3DB1=3DB6=3DBE=3DA1=3DA2=3DB7=3D > C0=3D =3DC9=3DA7=3DC8=3DC5 > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > >List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at:=20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =09 --------------------------------- = =D1=C5=BB=A2=C3=E2=B7=D1G=D3=CA=CF=E4=A3=AD=D6=D0=B9=FA=B5=DA=D2=BB=BE=F8= =CE=DE=C0=AC=BB=F8=D3=CA=BC=FE=C9=A7=C8=C5=B3=AC=B4=F3=D3=CA=CF=E4 = =D1=C5=BB=A2=D6=FA=CA=D6=A3=AD=CB=D1=CB=F7=A1=A2=C9=B1=B6=BE=A1=A2=B7=C0=C9= =A7=C8=C5 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu