[SI-LIST] Re: FW: New and lastest reference on "Jitter, Noise, and Signal Integrity at High-Speed"
- From: "Buhrow, Benjamin" <Buhrow.Benjamin@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <bernard.goodwin@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:28:52 -0600
I frequently see links get mangled on this reflector. www.tinyurl.com
can work wonders with this problem.
http://tinyurl.com/2r7hr5=20
- ben.
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> [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Goodwin, Bernard
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> Subject: [SI-LIST] FW: New and lastest reference on "Jitter,=20
> Noise, and Signal Integrity at High-Speed"
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> I had trouble with the Amazon.com link that you provided. =20
> Here is the correct one.
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> http://www.amazon.com/Jitter-Integrity-High-Speed-Prentice-Sem
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> /dp/0132429616
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> Bernard
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Mike Peng Li
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:37 AM
> To: Zhengrong.Xu@xxxxxxxxxx; shawn.h.zheng@xxxxxxxxx
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> Subject: [SI-LIST] New and lastest reference on "Jitter,=20
> Noise, and Signal Integrity at High-Speed"
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> The answers to this question, or similar questions in the=20
> general areas of jitter, noise, and signal integrity (Xtalk=20
> included) can be found in a=3D3D recent publication by=20
> Prentice Hall entitled "Jitter, Noise, and Signal =3D3D=20
> Integrity at High Speed" at=3D3D20
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> http://www.amazon.com/Jitter-Integrity-High-Speed-Prentice-Sem
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> dp/0132429616
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> with ISBN-13: 978-0-13-242961-0
> ISBN-10: 0-13-242961-6
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> Thanks!
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> Mike
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> On Behalf Of xuzhengrong
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> Subject: [SI-LIST] =3D3DB4=3D3DF0=3D3DB8=3D3DB4: Xtalk from vertical=20
> via to =3D horizontal tr=3D3D ace
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> From some paper I also learnt that parallel-plated waveguide=20
> (PPW) noise =3D3D =3D3D3D can be excited from vias in PCBs due to=20
> the mode conversion. The excited PPW noise can propagate=20
> through a PPW composed of power and ground planes.
> =3D3D3D=3D3D
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> The
> propagation of the PPW noise through PCBs results in=20
> resonances in transmission characteristics of signal vias due=20
> to the multiple =3D3D3D reflections from the edge of PCBs and=20
> coupling between signal vias.=3D3D3D20 I wonder how much xtalk=20
> the propagation of noise through via to via and =3D3D3D=3D3D
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> via
> to trace results in, too.
> Appreciate for any ideas.
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> Best Regards,
> Zhengrong
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> =3D3D3DD6=3D3D3DF7=3D3D3DCC=3D3D3DE2: [SI-LIST] Xtalk from vertical=20
> via to =3D horizontal tra=3D3D ce
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> Hi,
> I appreciate if you care to offer your help on the following=20
> two xtalk scenarios
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> 1. xtalk from vertical via to horizontal trace
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> via
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> --|
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> ----------------------------------------pwr
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> |
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> | ----------------------trace
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> |
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> --|------------------------------------gnd
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> |
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> --------------
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> Only read some literature that talk about via to via=20
> coupling. I wonder =3D3D3D=3D3D
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> how
> much direct coupling is from vertical via to horizontal trace=20
> is. I =3D =3D3D3D think it is minimum since the trace is close to=20
> the ground. Let us think =3D3D3D differently.
> It is well known that the current transition through via=20
> cause voltage =3D3D3D=3D3D
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> diff
> between parallel planes (pwr and gnd) fluctuates. Does the=20
> fluctuation =3D3D3D=3D3D
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> then
> impact signal on the trace?
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> 2. pwr reference impact on signal
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> ----------------------------------------pwr
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> ----------------------trace
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> --------------------------------------gnd
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> If power plane above trace is noisy but stays larger distance=20
> to trace =3D3D3D=3D3D
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> than
> ground plane, how much does the power plane affect trace=20
> reference to ground? Kind of similar to the first question above.
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> Thanks.
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> Shawn
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