[SI-LIST] FW: New and lastest reference on "Jitter, Noise, and Signal Integrity at High-Speed"
- From: "Goodwin, Bernard" <bernard.goodwin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:01:30 -0500
I had trouble with the Amazon.com link that you provided. Here is the
correct one.
http://www.amazon.com/Jitter-Integrity-High-Speed-Prentice-Semiconductor
/dp/0132429616
Bernard
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On Behalf Of Mike Peng Li
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:37 AM
To: Zhengrong.Xu@xxxxxxxxxx; shawn.h.zheng@xxxxxxxxx
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Subject: [SI-LIST] New and lastest reference on "Jitter, Noise, and
Signal Integrity at High-Speed"
The answers to this question, or similar questions in the general areas
of jitter, noise, and signal integrity (Xtalk included) can be found in
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recent publication by Prentice Hall entitled "Jitter, Noise, and Signal
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Integrity at High Speed" at=3D20
http://www.amazon.com/Jitter-Integrity-High-Speed-Prentice-Semiconductor
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dp/0132429616
with ISBN-13: 978-0-13-242961-0
ISBN-10: 0-13-242961-6
Thanks!
Mike
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On Behalf Of xuzhengrong
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Subject: [SI-LIST] =3DB4=3DF0=3DB8=3DB4: Xtalk from vertical via to =
horizontal
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ace
From some paper I also learnt that parallel-plated waveguide (PPW) noise
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can
be excited from vias in PCBs due to the mode conversion. The excited PPW
noise can propagate through a PPW composed of power and ground planes.
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The
propagation of the PPW noise through PCBs results in resonances in
transmission characteristics of signal vias due to the multiple =3D3D
reflections
from the edge of PCBs and coupling between signal vias.=3D3D20
I wonder how much xtalk the propagation of noise through via to via and
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via
to trace results in, too.
Appreciate for any ideas.
Best Regards,
Zhengrong
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=3D3DB4=3D3DFA=3D3DB1=3D3DED Shawn Zheng
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=3D3DD6=3D3DF7=3D3DCC=3D3DE2: [SI-LIST] Xtalk from vertical via to =
horizontal
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ce
Hi,
I appreciate if you care to offer your help on the following two xtalk
scenarios
1. xtalk from vertical via to horizontal trace
via
--|
----------------------------------------pwr
|
|
|
| ----------------------trace
|
--|------------------------------------gnd
|
--------------
Only read some literature that talk about via to via coupling. I wonder
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how
much direct coupling is from vertical via to horizontal trace is. I =
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think it
is minimum since the trace is close to the ground. Let us think =3D3D
differently.
It is well known that the current transition through via cause voltage
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diff
between parallel planes (pwr and gnd) fluctuates. Does the fluctuation
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then
impact signal on the trace?
2. pwr reference impact on signal
----------------------------------------pwr
----------------------trace
--------------------------------------gnd
If power plane above trace is noisy but stays larger distance to trace
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than
ground plane, how much does the power plane affect trace reference to
ground? Kind of similar to the first question above.
Thanks.
Shawn
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