If the NIS drawings are correct, then the following dogs and bitches are incredibly wrong. In fact, most of them would fit right close to the drawing in the NIS representing the "over-angulated," "incorrect," dog. Here--and I did this without spending "hundreds of hours" thinking of these German Shepherds--most of whom are well known to the fancy, often by their call names...(I didn't know everybody's call name, tho I knew most): Andretti R-Man Bono Boss Gotti Leroy Brown Uzi Scoop Conan Fettucini Mystique Scarlett Theda (or any of Fred's other dogs and bitches, I think) Kellie Jolly Kricket Ruby (or any of Tari's other Select dogs and bitches, for that matter) Cuz I Want To Running on Air Anyone want to add to this list? I didn't leave anyone out intentionally...I just ran down the list in my mind and thought of a few...none of whom will fit the drawings in the New Illustrated Standard. Each of these animals went Select or better... Peggy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================