You answered your own question. Stud "service" means the service is provided..the payment is due at the time of that service unless otherwise agreed upon by both parties. Exceptions could be an unproven dog, a puppy back, etc. A repeat should be given with a natural breeding or an AI. However..a repeat in my opinion is only optional with chilled semen as the semen is evaluated when collected..and evaluated before insemination of the bitch by the bitch owners vet. The stud dog is collected and the semen is shipped per the bitch owners instruction so the stud dog owner is basically doing what he is told to do by the bitch owner and their vet.. At that point the stud dog owner has done their part, the service has been rendered if they have provided live, motile viable semen from their stud dog...after this it is up to the bitch owner to shoulder the responsibility of conception. If a repeat is given for a chilled which was found to be of acceptable quality by both vets..then that is extremely generous on the part of the stud owner.I think a compromise would be to charge half a stud fee for a chilled repeat as at least this covers the time and trouble involved in going to the vet for collections for something that wasn't your fault to begin with. Technology has changed the dimension of dog breeding...the days of the stud dog shouldering all the responsibility for bitches missing is over...finally.C.Grainger > [Original Message] > From: <SallyHH31@xxxxxxx> > To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 12/9/2005 11:55:33 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] for stud dog owners > > For those people owning stud gsd's. When you have a bitch there to breed and > it is done do you get your stud fee at the time of service, or sometime > later. Respond to me priveily and thank you. > SallyHH31@xxxxxxx > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================