Carolyn, I don't disagree with you often, but I have to here. It is a fault and we all know there are many finished champions with serious faults. There are numerous breeder judges that I have talked to that said they would put up a coat if it was the best dog and they should. I kept my first coat in 30 years and now regret selling several others before her. She is almost perfect , except for her coat. No, I am not going to show her. She is proving much more valuable as a brood bitch. Her name is No Laughing Matter and she is the 2009 #3 Fut-Mat Dam from one small litter and has a champion and major reserve progeny at 12 months of age. Go to www.Valerieharrington.com and click on Events, the Wolverine gaiting photos, if you want to see her. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx, "DaList" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:08:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: THE LONG COATED SHEPHERD AH yes........I didn't even get into how most don't repel dirt.........<G> Here we have "RED" clay / dirt......along with all the grasses and weeds that go with living in the Country and on the trails or hiking. Same way with poor feet or too much length of back, or too low stationed and deep in body.....if you take them out on trails in the rocks, etc....or along the rocky river banks.....or herding.....you can tell why all these flaws really do matter. We have a perfect Standard IMO. We kept a long coat .....once........when we lived up in the Mountains of Donner Lake / Lake Tahoe area. The ice balls on her in the winter ( and they were LONG winters ) cured me......let alone the black dirt up there and stickers when you take them out hiking ........and they stay wet a lot longer when swimming. I learned early on from Eric Renner that they would not take them for Guide Dogs either for the same reasons. Too much maintenance for a blind person. On cement and couches and patios and lawns they are fine. <G> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com From: Ruth Scheubler To: DaList Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:45 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: THE LONG COATED SHEPHERD DISQUALIFIED OR A WINNER? Good reply, Carolyn. I also find there is a care issue when you have a dog with a long soft coat our in the field. In pet homes they are fine and on very short grass sheep arenas, but get them out in brambles or those dreadfull foxtrails or screw weed and you have a huge issue. And then there is the adobe clay -- Ruth ________________________________ From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ? From: Barbara Galasso To: 'Showgsd-l' Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: THE LONG COATED SHEPHERD DISQUALIFIED OR A WINNER? http://insidethegermanshepherddogsworld.blogspot.com/ Hi Barbara; Great articles on your blog. I enjoy reading them and really appreciate the way you continue to try to get a discussion about 'DOGS' started. Regarding the subject about long coats I probably will be the "odd man out" on this one as they are automatically 'disqualified' by us in our breedings for keeping, or breeding. <G> Even though it is considered a minor fault......we place long coat puppies as nice pets as quickly as we can once they are vaccinated and clear the Vet check. Occasionally one is definitely as nice as you describe in your article......but they are placed as pets and not kept for breeding purposes. We have never utilized a long coat to try to get more coat in our breedings either. It just is not something we felt we needed to do although we love a thick lush coat as much as anyone. I don't personally believe you have to breed to a coat to get a lush thick coarse correct coat......? Also, when we place a long coat puppy I really work at getting them in homes in the city where they are just exposed to lawns and cement. <G> We live in the Country......and in our area when the deer migrate through in the winter ticks can be a problem. Also Fox Tail stickers and what I call 'Velcro' stickers are a problem here and our land is not ALL immaculate lawns and the dogs are not kept in cement kennels but loose on the property much of the time. To try to deal with a long coat with any of the issues described above...from ticks to stickers in the area can be a real problem. In the snow country......the snow 'balls up' in little balls of ice on their coat and won't easilty brush off. Not to mention the simple fact that the coat is incorrect in it's length.....BUT also in the texture. It is often WAY too soft to repel dirt, water, stickers, etc. I am just grateful for the loving homes that actually want a long coat to place them in .....and I never worry about letting a pup go that is wonderful in bone, or gait or conformation. I love it when we have dogs that do not carry the coat factor. Just another 'minor' fault to not have to be concerned with. <G> My goal is always to get all the wonderful attributes you mentioned........ with a normal correct coat. <G> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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