In a message dated 12/6/2005 2:01:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CARALAND@xxxxxxx writes: As has been stated here, a missing tooth other than a first premolar is a serious fault. The truth is many dogs have finished with a missing tooth. I have a bitch like that.They have also been placed highly at our National Specialty including the last one. Some judges do not see that the tooth is missing and others seem not to care. Missing teeth seem to be having a resurgence after being almost eliminated from the conformation ring. This may become a major problem if it is not curtailed. Jack>>> That is quite true Jack. We see it more and more in specialty AND all breed rings. I often wonder if the judges that put up missing teeth are in fact really LOOKING at the teeth or just doing a cursory glance? A talented handler can hide a missing tooth, and we are beginning to hear owners of these dogs act like "Hey only a missing tooth or two, so what??" Really makes you scratch your head. I would never want to get into it, or get into lines that are dominant for it. It seems to be pretty difficult to get rid of, once you have it. It may not be the worst problem plaguing the breed, but it does need to be addressed, and dogs placed or not, accordingly. Kathy WEBSITE UPDATED: NOV 29, 2005 _http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/) VICTORY GSDs, There Is Something In A Name ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================