In a message dated 8/15/2005 6:10:11 PM Central Daylight Time, susan-sullivan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I realize that the current illustrated standard is somewhat outdated, but I question the concept of changing it because our dogs don't look like that anymore...Are you saying we need to change the standard to meet the dogs we are currently showing because they don't meet the standard? I'm all for updating the illustrated one to match the written one and I believe we have improved technology to do so successfully. But to make the pictures look like what we are showing today is in effect changing the standard to meet the dogs. That is not a good thing to do. Perhaps we need to look at the dogs we are showing next to the standard and analyze and correct them through breeding to more closely reflect the standard not the other way around. That is the whole purpose of a standard. I do want the judges to look for a dog that matches the written standard whether that dog looked more like the standard in the fifties or today ****************************************************************************** *********************** I just flipped through "The Complete German Shepherd Dog" and those pictures do not look anything like what our dogs look like today. Some of the pictures of some Grand Victors would probably not get a ribbon today in a class of 5. It is not changing the standard, it is different interpretations by different people. Our IS standard is very outdated. I have many IS standards from most of the breeds I judge and they make ours look like kindergarten material. Take a look at the Pems, Cards, Dobes, Akitas, Boxes, etc. and then look at ours and you will be embarrassed to give this to someone who is expected to judge our breed and do a good job of it. When I did a seminar and was sent the material I received the IS standard. It had been copied so many times that the pictures were not even clear much less in color like most other IS have them. IT IS OUTDATED. Give it a good burial and get a new one. Lee Brown ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================