I guess we can continue on, and push these issues or discussions back into the shadows and not allow them to see the light of day, I for one feel it is just this type of levity that is needed to help us move forward as a breed. Certainly we can learn from the SV in this regard, If we can not get our problems out in the open under the scrutiny of our own community - we will fail to others who will, and we will be relegated to those very same shadows where we belong. I stand by my earlier comments Dallas was breed to some fantastic bitches... the results speak for themselves(both good and bad). Who will the next great dog be, I guess we wait for the passing of the torch and apply the formula again, and again Let me know when you all are willing to have an HONEST and OPEN discussion and let it all hang out. Rumor has it a hit was put out on me, for speaking my mind and putting pen to paper where many wouldn't dare to go but secretly agree. Gotta go build a bomb shelter, cya. M ----- Original Message ----- From: lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx To: "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:27:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Dallas and sons have pondered on whether or not to jump in for a few days; and then I thought about how I would feel if it were my dog being discussed via such a public forum. With a lot of people who read but never post, you wonder who is reading the comments. They read the threads and believe it as truth. (FYI: I have no ties to Dallas or his sons; but I have seen many stud dogs and owners torn up unfairly over many years.) I don't think anyone can deny that Dallas did a lot for our breed. This is evident through his sons/grandsons who are producing many of today's winners. IMO Dallas gave us beautiful type, bone, soundness, and consistent type. Like many ROM dogs, it took the owners promotion to get ROM's and Red Book /Top Producing status. At the end of the day; no matter who promoted- the progeny won based on their own merit. Kudos to those that can accomplish. It takes dedication and hard work to promote an animal, ask anyone who owns an ROM. Do we have to beat up the those that worked aso hard to get these titles? I go to the shows and hear "so and so produces xyz fault" and it is many times unfair. Any dog who is heavily used will throw every single fault you can think of. The greater the number of progeny, the more prone to a problem cropping up. Bitch owners forget that the dam was responsible genetically for 50% of the problems. Just as an example, I popular ROM GV stud dog from years back (not Dallas lines) has been labeled as a "producer of bloat." When I asked the commenter for specifics, she said "abc dog" out of this sire died of bloat. Ok, but how many progeny in general lived long healthy lives? The people that own these popular stud dogs will tell you what they feel are "issues". They don't want people breeding to their dogs that are not a good fit. I think all of us are concerned that our gene pool is getting slim. Because these Dallas and his sons produced so well, many breeders wisely used them. Now, we have created a bubble where the winning dogs go back to the same bloodlines. All dogs genetically carry good and bad; the question should be where to take the progeny from these lines to open up the gene pool and compliment the good. No bloodline can be successful by continually breeding back into it. As fewer people come into our sport, we have less animals/bloodlines to breed to. Where can we take these animals and continue to improve, add some other genetics? It just seems very unfair to single out bloodlines via this forum. It is hurtful to many who love their dogs. Ask any owner of a GV how the dog they loved was torn apart. Respect goes a long way when you are talking about the dog who sleeps at your fellow dog owners bedside. 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